Re: [datatracker-rqmts] Slides for the face-to-face BoF next week

Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> Sun, 07 November 2010 10:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: [datatracker-rqmts] Slides for the face-to-face BoF next week
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One more data point regarding the RSS/Atom option: in fact some feed 
readers are able to detect duplicates. At least my favorite reader, 
Liferea, can do it: 
http://liferea.blogspot.com/2007/02/item-duplicate-detection.html.

Thanks,
	Yaron

On 11/03/2010 04:57 PM, Yaron Sheffer wrote:
> Sort of. I think Atom feeds should be the only primitive provided, and
> the user should take it from there. It can be as easy as using Google
> Reader, or you can use a much fancier reader application.
>
> The server should have no notion of lists who are owned by somebody,
> only of anonymous feeds. The draft mentions that feeds should be based
> on lists, but I see no reason to have lists in the first place.
>
> One drawback of this direction is that there will be overlaps (e.g.
> between "documents of the IPsecME WG" and "Documents that have 'ipsec'
> in their title"). Perhaps some feed readers can de-duplicate such cases,
> I haven't seen any that do. Alternatively, we may have a powerful enough
> feed creation mecha, so that you can specify the union of these two
> feeds as a single feed.
>
> Thanks,
> Yaron
>
> On 11/03/2010 04:20 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>> At 4:09 PM +0200 11/3/10, Yaron Sheffer wrote:
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> I can see two ways of dealing with this issue, there are probably more:
>>>
>>> - Make the Atom feeds not only per-draft, but more sophisticated.
>>> Example feed templates:
>>>
>>> * All drafts authored by X
>>> * All drafts of the Y WG (which we already have, BTW)
>>> * All drafts whose name/title includes the term Z.
>>>
>>> - Alternatively, we could publish and maintain OPML files for common
>>> collections, e.g. one per WG. [I know you dislike OPML, but it works
>>> for me]. But this in an inferior solution because people would have
>>> to update the OPML file (list of feeds) manually.
>>
>> OK, I'm glad I asked. It sounds like you are in favor of some of the
>> list-creation parts of the draft, but not the "my list is stored on
>> the IETF server" part, and not in favor of "I can see my list
>> displayed on the Datatracker web site" part. Is that a fair summary?
>>
>> --Paul Hoffman, Director
>> --VPN Consortium