Re: [datatracker-rqmts] Slides for the face-to-face BoF next week

Royer Software and Services <> Tue, 02 November 2010 16:45 UTC

Return-Path: <>
Received: from localhost (localhost []) by (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51293A69F5 for <>; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:45:04 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.372
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.372 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_OBFU_Q1=0.227]
Received: from ([]) by localhost ( []) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JWRe4tCEYGtr for <>; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:45:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ( []) by (Postfix) with ESMTP id D468A3A69F0 for <>; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:45:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by gya6 with SMTP id 6so4576474gya.31 for <>; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=U90HQ1A4ay0aU6xMpWz6BqIwX8IbI5QtGotPBLESmVg=; b=wbB9V19vR3b7+aewqFqsz8fZHoFy8NOkX5axcuZxKl5iER4Fx6EyatNePhDWDmri2y ZbuZmfweaD/5VbXTLwVbIOHSblGGqbHPx5FDnSVUKz6hERKlbKV0Rv0mLS8H+2tia5Th ua3dUj5GLia4ZsbDp/F+6FTSLvo/DEPmPIfrs=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=YBUy4TNK88Op6MqezBKkABAt1bpjzyZqnzuXDuC0Beb4vIeP8KRindBwETSlaeNqlD QWglXKu7JaaHoLwQLqUIj8JFZIfoq87BZ/SzLs9DEHiaGgMSXl5PbaIy+mY5FZ+LQ3kV vAsrX5QtLCRwwJvGIeUqHhGkyzrVuhErxwYWY=
Received: by with SMTP id j10mr1020215anc.222.1288716307074; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [] ([]) by with ESMTPS id g18sm4221485anh.18.2010. (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:45:06 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:44:53 -0600
From: Royer Software and Services <>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv: Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <p06240800c8ecfbb84168@[]> <p0624088ac8f4ef10b46d@[]> <> <p06240894c8f5dde043db@[]>
In-Reply-To: <p06240894c8f5dde043db@[]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: Re: [datatracker-rqmts] Slides for the face-to-face BoF next week
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: <>
List-Unsubscribe: <>, <>
List-Archive: <>
List-Post: <>
List-Help: <>
List-Subscribe: <>, <>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 16:45:06 -0000

On 11/2/2010 9:36 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> At 8:04 AM -0700 11/2/10, SM wrote:
> That page is about "Lists should be able to be private".  Do you really want to get into a discussion about privacy?  As the work of the IETF is supposed to be open, I suggest letting anyone who is "subscribed" to a draft see who else is following it.
> That seems a tad radical to me. How do others feel about this?

Who cares who watches?  And who cares who watches the watchers?

I have seen well meaning people have meetings and make agreements about 
drafts, then forget and
just assume that the idea was part of the consensus on the list.

I would opt for everything as open as possible. The less secrets the 
IETF has the healthier it will remain
as there will be no dark corners that other can assume contain hidden 
agreements or ideas.

Doug - Royer Software and Services
(208) 806-1358 / (714) 989-6135