Re: [dbound] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft
Samuel Weiler <weiler@csail.mit.edu> Thu, 14 March 2019 20:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dbound] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft
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On Fri, 8 Mar 2019, Stephen Farrell wrote: >>> Accordingly, I’d like to see an example or two of how you’d expect an >>> application to use the kind of connection between domains established >>> by the RDBD mechanism. ... > We added some text on that in -01, in the intro. See the top > of page 3. Wasn't that clear enough? No, it is not. Those are pretty broad use cases. I want to see them more specifically defined. e.g. "correlate the ownership of websites in different languages" is still pretty broad. WHO do you want to do the correlation? (Which pieces of code?) Is this for statistics and analysis (only) - e.g. so the Alexa list reflects the aggregate of correlated sites? Or do you want client code doing something? Do you want cookies shared? Credentials? I realize that this could touch many parts of the stack. Put another way, if you're right that: > ... part of the reason DBOUND failed was an > attempt to be all things to all parties. I think repeating > such an attempt with RDBD would lead to the same failure. Then the use case(s) needs to be very clear. -- Sam
- [dbound] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft Brotman, Alexander
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) … John Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) … John R Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) … John R Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Bob Harold
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Paul Wouters
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Brotman, Alexander
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Paul Wouters
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Paul Wouters
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Tony Finch
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Paul Wouters
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS… John Levine
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… David Conrad
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… John R. Levine
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS… John C Klensin
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS… Jothan Frakes
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD… Michael J. Sheldon
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] not DNAME, was Related… John R Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS… John Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS… John R Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] not DNAME, was Related… John C Klensin
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] not DNAME, was Related… Tony Finch
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] not DNAME, was Related… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] not DNAME, was Related… Samuel Weiler
- [dbound] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft Samuel Weiler
- Re: [dbound] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft Stephen Farrell