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Re: [dbound] The Fate of DBOUND

Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com> Wed, 16 November 2016 21:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dbound] The Fate of DBOUND
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On 11/16/2016 5:50 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
> I would support this if there was with each (including Jiankang's draft)
> some indication of how the experiment would be run: Who's going to build
> the code, who's going to run services that include the new data, who's
> going to run services that try to use the new data, how will the
> effectiveness and operational cost be determined, who will collect the
> results and observations, to where will they be reported, etc.


Carrying this a bit further:

      Competing proposals get published when there is strong support for 
each and a failure to reconcile the support down to a single proposal.

      We have the latter condition, but I have missed the clear 
indication of the former.

d/

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   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
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