Re: [dbound] [EXTERNAL] Re: RDBD 01 Comments
"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 22 March 2019 15:35 UTC
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:35:32 -0400
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From: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: [dbound] [EXTERNAL] Re: RDBD 01 Comments
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> The original intent was a providing a bit more of a hurdle to falsifying > responses. I didn't think we could realistically rely on DNSSEC as a > requirement (I'm imagining a situation where we have DNSSEC, and someone > goes off to Route53 to host a domain where DNSSEC is not supported last > I knew), so was hoping this would provide a bit more of a loose > assurance that this relationship is intentional. I still don't get it. If you're the primary and you have DNSSEC, you can with great security publish pointers to all of the secondaries, no extra crypto required. If you're a primary and you don't have DNSSEC, a bad guy can with some effort fake a key record and you lose anyway. Faking a primary->secondary pointer or faking a key record are equally hard or easy. Perhaps it would be helpful to make a chart for situations where the primary or secondary are and aren't signed, and are and aren't attacked and see which (if any) boxes have interesting different outcomes. R's, John >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 2:04 PM >> To: dbound@ietf.org >> Cc: Brotman, Alexander <Alexander_Brotman@cable.comcast.com> >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [dbound] RDBD 01 Comments >> >> In article >> <ac159edaa05641ffa59e7358209ea0a4@COPDCEX19.cable.comcast.com> you >> write: >>> Hello folks, >>> >>> Stephen and I are still looking for additional comments on the newer >>> revision of RDBD [1]. We'd really like to work with everyone to move >>> this forward if possible. Additionally, he and I should both be in Prague next >> week if you'd like to have some in-person discussions. >>> >>> Thank you for your time >>> >>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brotman-rdbd-01 >> >> Hm. I see that instead of DKIM-like signatures, now it's DNSSEC-like >> signatures. >> >> But I still have the same question: what advantage does all of this crypto stuff >> provide compared to a much simpler design where the two domains just >> have records that point at each other, like a cut down version of Andrew's >> SOPA? >> >> One difference is that you can't tell by looking at the primary/relating domain >> what its secondary/related domains are. I can't tell if that's a bug or a >> feature. > Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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