Re: [dc] draft-khasnabish-vmmi-problems-00.txt
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Wed, 08 February 2012 18:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dc] draft-khasnabish-vmmi-problems-00.txt
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On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 12:24:16PM -0500, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > Thanks Juergen. > > Can you give a few examples of which "implementors" > you are referring to. > The value of any standard is measured in implementations and eventually deployments. In the IETF, this is even wired into the rules since specifications only advance if there are interoperable implementations. Hence, if someone pushes for work done in the IETF, he/she needs to understand who is going to implement things and involve those implementors in the process to ensure the specification is real-world implementable. In the discussion here, I sometimes sense a lack of clueful input from people who are familiar with code running in hypervisors or whatever is proposed to be modified. In the case of hypervisors, there should be people who know xen, vmware, ... from the inside. And if those people find agreement that there is a common problem the IETF can help with (by providing a platform to develop a common solution), then I get a much better feeling. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>
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