Re: [Dcrup] Hey, crypto experts, what signing algorithm should we add

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Sat, 10 June 2017 16:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Dcrup] Hey, crypto experts, what signing algorithm should we add
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I think IETF is pretty much set on the 25519 approach.

Use RFC 8032, it is what it is for.

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:

> I think clearly either Ed25519 or ECDSA P-256. Either seems fine, with
> ECDSA having an advantage on the availability and Ed25519 an advantage on
> the modernness.
>
> -Ekr
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> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> On 10 June 2017 at 13:55, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>> > Any suggestions?
>>
>> I thought that you had already settled on Ed25519.  Availability is
>> the only concern of note based on your criteria.  We don't have it in
>> NSS (yet) and it's a bit green in some other libraries, but it's still
>> pretty widely available.
>>
>> I see no huge motivation for Ed448 or ECDSA at this stage.
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