Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usage-00.txt
Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com> Mon, 05 June 2017 20:35 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usage-00.txt
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On Monday, June 05, 2017 01:18:13 PM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com> > > wrote: > > I hear you. I expect this to be the most contentious part of the draft. > > > > Here's my counter argument: > > > > The first DKIM RFC (RFC 4871), published in 2007 said: > > > Signers MUST implement and SHOULD sign using rsa-sha256 > > > > I believe that the only reason rsa-sha1 was included at all was to make > > transition from domainkeys easier (see RFC 4870). That's also (as I > > understand it where the 512 bit minimum key size came from). > > As I recall, there were also implementations of DKIM made during its > development (even before its IETF time) that supported both, and defaulted > to rsa-sha1 because support for SHA256 in OpenSSL was new and not > universally deployed. Some of them were still running in the wild, and > SHA1 wasn't fully deprecated, so the choice was made to be inclusive while > encouraging use of the newer stuff as much as possible. > > > As a working group document editor, I'll change it however the group wants > > (of > > course), but I think we should either kill rsa-sha1 entirely in this > > document > > or leave it out entirely and let one of the follow-on documents add a new > > algorithm and remove rsa-sha1. Preferably a clean kill or, failing that, > > not > > at all is what I think we should do. > > I would omit it from the updated version entirely, and mark it "obsolete" > in the registry. > > -MSK, from the floor How about this (rfcdiff attached)? Scott K
- [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usage-0… internet-drafts
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Kurt Andersen
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… John Levine
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Rose, Scott
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Russ Housley
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Rose, Scott
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Jim Fenton
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman