Re: [Dcrup] draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usage and document shepherds

Kurt Andersen <kurta@drkurt.com> Sun, 11 June 2017 18:18 UTC

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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 19:17:55 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Dcrup] draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usage and document shepherds
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On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 3:14 AM, Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On June 9, 2017 8:25:38 PM EDT, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> . . .it seems kind of premature to me.
>
> Why would that matter?  This draft just gets rid of the obsolete cruft.
> It clears the deck for adding a new algorithm, but in no way requires we
> have that sorted out.
>

While RFCs do have a cost, can the ADs weigh in on the relative benefits of
doing this "sweep the decks clean" first update to be followed by "add more
algorithms" vs. bundling it all together?

I too think that it might be a bit premature to make a last call though I'm
in support of the two-pass approach.

--Kurt