Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usage-02.txt
"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Mon, 12 June 2017 03:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usage-02.txt
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On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote: > I find the construction of this draft strange. Why not simply say > "verifiers MUST implement and use rsa-sha256 instead of rsa-sha1"? > The remainder of the text is largely unchanged, which took me a while > to validate. > > The problem here is that removing the definition of rsa-sha1 is not > the point. The code point can't be undefined (Section 7 gets that > right), and we don't really benefit from having the definition > removed. What we want is to have rsa-sha256 implemented and deployed. > > So say two things, just to be perfectly clear: > > 1. DKIM implementations MUST NOT rely on rsa-sha1, it's busted. > > 2. DKIM implementations MUST use rsa-sha256. Signers MUST create > signatures using rsa-sha256 and verifiers MUST verify those > signatures. > That idea is fine with me. Specifically, I think "MUST NOT rely on" is better than "MUST NOT implement". -MSK
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- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Russ Housley
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Mark D. Baushke
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] stronger crypto, I-D Action: draft-ie… John Levine
- Re: [Dcrup] stronger crypto, I-D Action: draft-ie… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] stronger crypto, I-D Action: draft-ie… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Dcrup] stronger crypto, I-D Action: draft-ie… John R Levine
- Re: [Dcrup] stronger crypto, I-D Action: draft-ie… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] stronger crypto, I-D Action: draft-ie… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Dcrup] stronger crypto, I-D Action: draft-ie… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Dcrup] stronger crypto, I-D Action: draft-ie… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Dcrup] stronger crypto, I-D Action: draft-ie… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Jim Fenton
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Jim Fenton
- Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Dcrup] stronger crypto, I-D Action: draft-ie… Phillip Hallam-Baker