Re: [dd] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF discussion
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From: Ben Schwartz <bemasc@meta.com>
To: Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net>, "dd@ietf.org" <dd@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [dd] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF discussion
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Subject: Re: [dd] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF discussion
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This charter text doesn't mention encryption, TLS, or QUIC. It seems to me that enabling encrypted transport upgrade is a key motivating factor that drives many aspects of the DELEG design. Encryption should at least be mentioned in the charter, and the group's intention should be spelled out here to avoid confusion about the division of responsibility between DELEG and DPRIVE. --Ben Schwartz ________________________________ From: dd <dd-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 3:39 PM To: dd@ietf.org <dd@ietf.org> Subject: [dd] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF discussion !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Greetings all, Your BOF chairs have worked on starting text for a potential charter based on the discussions to date. Clearly, this is starting text and deserves discussion both on the list and in the BOF. We look forward to the upcoming BOF and from hearing from everyone's opinions on this starting point for a charter. ---------- # Background and Problem Space The DNS protocol has traditionally had limited ability to signal to recursive resolvers about the capabilities of authoritative servers they communicate with. In part, this stems from the inability of parents (often registries) to specify additional information about child delegations (often registrants) beyond NS, DS, and glue records. Further complicating matters is the inability of a registrant to signal that the operation of a delegation point is being outsourced to a different operator, leaving a challenge when operators need to update parental information that is only in the control of the child. A significant issue in today's deployed DNS that derives from these issues is data often being out of synchronization between parents and children. Said another way, children often have more up-to-date information about the nameservers and DNSSEC keying information than their parents due to slowness, or complete lack, of automated child-to-parent updates. The Internet's dependence on the DNS as a critical starting point for most communication has resulted in the development of a complex ecosystem that consists of many different parties, business relationships, and software packages. Software deployments exist in environments that range from small CPE devices and software packages to entire clusters of world-wide distributed server platforms. # Objective and Scope To address these challenges, the working group will first develop the requirements for adding a new signaling mechanism that allows parents to return DNS delegation information to resolvers. The working group will also list the other types of information not available today that might be be provided over a designed signaling mechanism. The working group will then define the semantics of a new signaling mechanism, taking future extensibility into account. The first use case for this DNS delegation signalling mechanism is expected to be delegation aliasing, where the parent returns a pointer to service provider that will then return the needed delegation information. This use case has been discussed for many years in the DNSOP and other Working Groups. The working group will only specify extensions to the DNS protocol that relate to delegation. # Deliverables - A document listing the consensus-derived requirements for a new signaling mechanism between a parent and a resolver about communication parameters available for communicating with a delegated child. This need not be published as an RFC and may remain as an Internet-draft. - A document listing, and ideally prioritizing, new delegation attributes to be distributed from parents that would benefit resolver and child communications. This need not be published as an RFC and may remain as an Internet-draft. - A specification defining the new delegation attribute signaling mechanism. This is expected to become a standards-track RFC. - A specification for how to use the new delegation attribute signaling mechanism to perform aliasing for delegation. This is expected to become a standards-track RFC. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI -- dd mailing list dd@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dd
- [dd] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF disc… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [dd] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF … Peter Thomassen
- Re: [dd] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF … George Michaelson
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dd] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF … Ralf Weber
- Re: [dd] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF … Paul Wouters
- Re: [dd] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF … Manu Bretelle
- Re: [dd] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF … Ben Schwartz
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Havard Eidnes
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Jens Finkhäuser
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Jim Reid
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Roy Arends
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Jim Reid
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Edward Lewis
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Dave Lawrence
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… George Michaelson
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Geoff Huston
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… George Michaelson
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Dave Lawrence
- Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELE… Edward Lewis