IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF discussion

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Tue, 05 March 2024 20:11 UTC

Return-Path: <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
X-Original-To: dd@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dd@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C86CC14CF01 for <dd@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:11:49 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -7.009
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oDUPzv8COkOO for <dd@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:11:45 -0800 (PST)
Received: from EUR05-AM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-am6eur05on2115.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.22.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D44DAC15107F for <dd@ietf.org>; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:11:39 -0800 (PST)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=GL3slzPjsqI3qd/WZ3sECwixhpi1WQOdBpCK8EGp94gG1SQEmaVB0htI6vzDfwzSr98zLC27R+3E4IEdxLxh4OoCQb78rxfaRxJEl5DupMUpu//Ioo2it6opfkqMYxL33h2vnqzPYR4NBWDIaBT0iNX/OZvKPv0bhoDU4EYkwdfgFkzNnp6HQyKq0438Rzk1elAOBc2q8ImH8EnXisWLYoqTGZ2UmCDcu5X0CVDN/GHxsRts58IppKV0WluW1EUSydPEfdBVb2hZpwJa/wlxCYt23HN5hxqy3fBq5bos0miSjybmY0G358GEfT+QTIG5U238vK5J0vmFGSXezoZC9g==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=CfowSKmGq1q93tzoJ2fQA8rv+PK31b5lz+DuneBpt/4=; b=OaKKbaknPO3FRpmaWRpeZytfJP7R+NaOLz7YRVRFzjr25AhmXcMZ/HZoHW0nzJSq8pWckb65CX19bMPC3lVGL5PwBPioYx3NThQ5QaX7q+7YneL9hFW85yxeZBEek6VmxKjfHnvFzsT8JxucfmcrtU84u7l6Moy5CMXLJ48QPP3HwqQx3fgaEKwE4RkteVuYINMc3wPHB8cFe6DCddfnoq0hmRrq4JfMk6xX0cpgpinKtWR1h9DfRwNae4GgORwKBgjFOHLZdeBNkmrDhQRX0PYKNpF035NxRO1xkMPlW2YBcKYyoe76GzEMVDaRD1td5C+k0gfV57dGIe7ElkQpag==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=cs.tcd.ie; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=cs.tcd.ie; dkim=pass header.d=cs.tcd.ie; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=CfowSKmGq1q93tzoJ2fQA8rv+PK31b5lz+DuneBpt/4=; b=e0aS1Zej/rLm1fetNQ75qXCsETDTZa30PQmm4ZdqBrvccm24FbGUIjdFwdFN26kG4nZEIo/zREVfOaN9gT6DTYbsGrTGbfmko3uR01nkRd9oSHZt0+Qz4ZVAagZVx9OpL9wVQWMJhha/4HCkCJJSjdEKXpyasJckBIZ18uuu6Xq4xUs/LXYAlfLmMHpe79VmmMHem1xF5G77SJ/slMUhZrJLK6wt9krR4XGY2dc3A/bvINDR5yTYoij/gjQjxma8UJajnxovySvHuTLvracX3fpPJG73ypcfVv0fnT022GHitFCqfF+9eQrzgdZ3Q+qOg/SGfE6HdthyLdic7UJZNA==
Authentication-Results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=cs.tcd.ie;
Received: from AM6PR02MB5112.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:20b:90::21) by AS4PR02MB8334.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:20b:515::5) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.7339.39; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 20:11:33 +0000
Received: from AM6PR02MB5112.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b95f:2e63:65e2:c45b]) by AM6PR02MB5112.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b95f:2e63:65e2:c45b%2]) with mapi id 15.20.7339.031; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 20:11:33 +0000
Message-ID: <79e0ce13-a573-40e4-9dda-1dc2009205ed@cs.tcd.ie>
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2024 20:11:29 +0000
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Content-Language: en-US
To: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>, Ben Schwartz <bemasc=40meta.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: "dd@ietf.org" <dd@ietf.org>
References: <yblbk7wl65k.fsf@wx.hardakers.net> <SA1PR15MB4370F1D275E94CD1AE2C8A89B3222@SA1PR15MB4370.namprd15.prod.outlook.com> <CD3A8291-EE91-49AB-BBEE-9120AB4A24FC@icann.org>
From: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Autocrypt: addr=stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie; keydata= xjMEY9GzphYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAo6JvjmSbxHdQWPZdvciQYsHhM1NxQBU398Mmimoy4p7N M1N0ZXBoZW4gRmFycmVsbCAoMjU1MTkpIDxzdGVwaGVuLmZhcnJlbGxAY3MudGNkLmllPsKQ BBMWCAA4FiEEMG54R8tZDyZFrDOn5Njp+ZeoM90FAmPRs6YCGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYC AwECHgECF4AACgkQ5Njp+ZeoM93bogEA25ElRyX0wwg+kGEN1AoL60MoZfvQZ/VtmXY6IC5j +csBAIBpkL5ySuzJK2zLNZn9qQGht8IaUcA7cvDcLvS2uHUEzjgEY9GzphIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQILCPWOwW36e8D3pY8GmvvtItIT+A5uV80ist+WokVsQAwEIB8J4BBgWCAAgFiEEMG54 R8tZDyZFrDOn5Njp+ZeoM90FAmPRs6YCGwwACgkQ5Njp+ZeoM92bcAEA8R+8cpqRUIS+SoAN iO05xE6O/wEx8/e88BqzAYki3SoBAOQdwiPX+MQrAxkWD8xxOsdMOAtxYKpkD1n8aPJUw6QJ
In-Reply-To: <CD3A8291-EE91-49AB-BBEE-9120AB4A24FC@icann.org>
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------jofSYsVlzD7ImC300pUMU9Gi"
X-ClientProxiedBy: DU2PR04CA0234.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:10:2b1::29) To AM6PR02MB5112.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:20b:90::21)
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-Exchange-MessageSentRepresentingType: 1
X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email
X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: AM6PR02MB5112:EE_|AS4PR02MB8334:EE_
X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: 8e0ed3fb-57cb-453e-6df6-08dc3d507333
X-MS-Exchange-SharedMailbox-RoutingAgent-Processed: True
X-TCD-Routed-via-EOP: Routed via EOP
X-TCD-ROUTED: Passed-Transport-Routing-Rules
X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck: 1
X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-Relay: 0
X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;
X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: 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
X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:AM6PR02MB5112.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(13230031)(376005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102;
X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount: 1
X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0: dqEAksKG0mAeio8UdG8/Pucc7T5XJbS1YgSh24MfopPKBN9nRHiszk60VY/4e2K6K02SMbxWK3BXVp9LwHyDPaiwfFI6X3edQkw13rLH1WT5GBsocsURjTxtS8HwXDGlZoIQY3LCc1ujquxBV5p8+sJwJ/E1Kbb2mu7E3jVNFp9jmRp/2K7pDeXb79nj4oXyZP/xTqs+KCSFnITUO8oJQ5cvF4UKNnsLwUvpTZL5QYmd5AXFQEthVamH0Yi0WZv9AJMGkJtd6d/gZMXypnR5d2R7uQMnVBwpHRB1RIOPmcS5fQbMnM5AgJSGnK3T8I33pPqovZyminb+l810c9hBUDSkWkFWCrSldGujz4I95tvg/0uVcjil2wRS3HnIRRVcbhGoOsJNe6XrByLKUaLbg8K+WBBR6ofZLF3LTbQ4hRaUfV//sGmcq6XzlVTOYUw4InXuhJSCPHRLNdjAMFVilSMQQzbkRLtX9+zNsqWo9ab8yEPS3tMy6J6SzM0bQWbEAxGRyS3cSK+SMU0bGqKMbJfsDXG4L57DpHkkfqiNb310IBlAQPoa2en1MlT5kddJ09VvDRDp5jbU1VqbaFjnZyGen6zikM9Zmq3aC/o1BacMz9TINoIX5J6Qbsz2DhgOxvQqcd2PvGzuMO1dHheIQfEI0HsXhQlg/rM0ybBvmB+dy/dLLrneQ/GUOC2IHQpdWje5usXrbevr0aSMrOj9EKGp5IIDJWdX0GkUUyFfrBe7OCyhbiQC1xr+6sBvmdW7PtOVRVlZvL56apwImYMCl6z/Jk4fL6qTvyJCDVZ+ttUottIQCXJhLmkcNYYsBUDv6NaV7T+KXaOVVQWOLFzMqxf1u7Ecpm2cDCRfoxrCzaTJIGTL/x+SAPy789eSiuLvmVG0TsIuUx0l++QUiB7aCOwhSvYeMAqSXe7vK++O/S+RQXflybUKOou02AXWwwnTfWKhYSiSoSbW9oGeGsJk0ejMS2u5JYcPYT5ZKGQ5oH7DBhMtKj/YzmdtqN69oeziXKgQz+s2P0/Hj0yGIwaMpv+IhzZYsx5k/kyjcZjDVZRCMyFWDWSvW4OAzMDwoqqajXf9TLVtEHSIKziVweZYrf47r+P5LWbMCa+yKzN29jYdCfInMZfg0pyXzRJYekjiELh5uKqVieafw7EgZ7NXnRGr5b0+FeAXj07yJbFeQMosXoesS4Z/H0EfLxQH5SSyeeVAY+fdjx0okDcp7VgAij/OnZhYPNB6Ylodq4ElLAH2C1Zrj2VYJ8mXcWUQhHh+6SKMYlllsZbX4AoIE4z7B/SGC4zh2c5uv0M3pTYipAP18iC1YxgSe147My+Qjzq0cjuAD6q2ZZ9gzgN5Sia0DqKwD979T2Q0M3wv60OZQqd5dMmDDPsTCNVBXoYe5odaFP+vnzHda/Le0CoKHjoG8zNZoGCzwbJdZTFAfbjcxomLigoJTDd86LdaWvTd8rSKtd8fmeaULaP23qAptR5WxDt4ln+P8wX+aZWkygBFkTRd5HHPxHquDjGAfiiTFLvxLjChmyyqeZvJGzXFreqs4Bi1GR69RURNlkl8M4BuA8edkBAXQAqvYftKsTNjHW/w8Rti6goDsazd+mhJQyFBEq9eYL/eXhtmxCHmM4NMZudOpp9LS2jP5fU+oufDuFYo
X-OriginatorOrg: cs.tcd.ie
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 8e0ed3fb-57cb-453e-6df6-08dc3d507333
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: AM6PR02MB5112.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2024 20:11:33.1939 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: d595be8d-b306-45f4-8064-9e5b82fbe52b
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: vDEZ9EfHKsfgXTNPBLhAZHTarXuuWWEyvMPxjymyHnNk9Gl2lVfc2tYEqzidQZBG
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AS4PR02MB8334
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dd/o8CAYdsxbBfwhlxIE6HeIJmu-Vc>
Subject: Re: [dd] [Ext] starting charter text for the DELEG BOF discussion
X-BeenThere: dd@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: DNS Delegation <dd.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dd>, <mailto:dd-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dd/>
List-Post: <mailto:dd@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dd-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dd>, <mailto:dd-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2024 20:11:49 -0000

I think Ben's right, this should be called out explicitly as, if it's
not, some folk may turn up later saying that they didn't know that it
was a goal. That happened for DoH for example.

On 05/03/2024 20:06, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> If there's a lot of interest on this list for that use case, it could
> certainly be added to this proposed charter. Please propose text.

"Enabling better use of encrypted transports for DNS and other
encrypted transport protocols is a specific goal of DELEG."

S.

v2.40.4 | Report a Bug | By Email | System Status