Re: [Detnet-dp-dt] Using MS-PW concept for the d-pw

[Loa Andersson <[e-mail]>]

Jouni,

On 2017-02-26 12:36, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
> Yuanlong,
>
>
>> On 25 Feb 2017, at 02:02, Jiangyuanlong <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Loa,
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:[e-mail]]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 3:34 PM
>> To: Jiangyuanlong; Jouni Korhonen
>> Cc: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: [Detnet-dp-dt] Using MS-PW concept for the d-pw
>>
>> Yuanlong,
>>
>> The L-laabel is ther to make the the intermediate not (S-PE) know what to do whit the packet, the d-pw label was not allocated by the S-PE, so it does not ahve any knowledge what it means.
>> [YJ] d-pw can be allocated by the S-PE in MS-PW, just as you would like to allocate the L-labels. Very similarly, I think the same T-LDP protocol can be used.
>> [YJ] As I said in the previous email, using PW to trigger FRER will be cleaner compared with using L-label since CW is inspected.
>
> I think you are still getting it wrong what was intended with L-labels. They were specifically thought in the context of detnet global d-pw labels.

hmmmm -yes, but not in the sense that the mpls wg use "global", the
special purpose labels are global, they mean the same thing where ever
you find them. Here we have end-to-end labels, labels that stays the
same all through the forwarding process in the network.

/Loa

>
> L-labels connected MS-PW nodes over the network topology. All FRER “triggering” etc is still and has always been tied to the d-pw. Within a S- or T-PE you need to pop the L-label and then inspect the top of stack d-pw label..
>
>                                                  within
>     LSR                         |------------- S- or T-PE -------------|
>                     PHP                            POP
>                   -------->                     -------->
> +------------+                  +------------+            +------------+
> |  T-labels  |                  |  L-label   |            | d-pw label |
> +------------+                  +------------+            +------------+
> |  L-label   |                  | d-pw label |            |            |
> +------------+                  +------------+            |  Payload   |
> | d-pw label |                  |            |            |            |
> +------------+                  |  Payload   |            +------------+
> |            |                  |            |
> |  Payload   |                  +------------+
> |            |
> +------------+
>
>
> This allowed also bypassing S-PE easily for some L-labels.. instead of an L-label pop one would do a swap and just forward after that.
>
>
> - Jouni
>
>
>> If you let the S-PEs allocate and swap d-pw's, the next S-PE or a T-PE can't coordinate for the same packet coming in on from tow different nodes.
>> [YJ] It's like the 1+1 PW protection case, though the operations of elimination and replication in the S-PE and the T-PE need to be specified.
>> [YJ]Take VPLS as an example, several PWs can be directed into the same VSI in a PE and PW packets are processed there (for detnet, the processing is FRER now).
>>
>> But I feel like we are going in circles, can we agree on the corner stones first?
>>
>> Do we want all possible/conceivable control mechanism be within scope?
>> [YJ] maybe we can take LDP as a first step. It seems the difficulty is how to decide the S-PEs for a detnet flow (a routing protocol may be needed for automatic selection).
>> [YJ] if all T-PEs and S-PEs are determined for a detnet flow, it is quite easy to set up PW segments and LSPs respectively with the help of LDP protocol.
>> Cheers,
>> Yuanlong
>>
>> /Loa
>>
>>
>> On 2017-02-25 15:18, Jiangyuanlong wrote:
>>> I agreed to alternative 2. L-label is not needed, S-PE must look into the PW label (further, extract sequence number in the CW) of a packet, and all FRER semantics can be coupled with the PW label.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:[e-mail]]
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 3:07 PM
>>> To: Jiangyuanlong
>>> Cc: [e-mail]; Loa Andersson
>>> Subject: Re: [Detnet-dp-dt] Using MS-PW concept for the d-pw
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> [YJ] I regard the L-Labels and T-labels are the same LSP layer. If we look into the full MPLS label stack of a packet in a PW, normally there is an LSP label at the top (unless PHP is enabled for the last hop).
>>>> Not sure what is the L-Label in your picture, is it different from LSP label?
>>>
>>> L-labels have been so far in the discussion between MS-PW PEs.
>>> T-labels are between any LSR. L-labels are not PHPed i.e., even if PHP
>>> is enable the L-Label stays and the label above it gets popped (that
>>> we have been referring as T-Labels). T- and L-labels are just a naming
>>> convention. IF you don’t have “between MS-PW PEs” semantic associated
>>> with the L-Label, it is the same as T-Label ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> case L-labels are present.. (alternative 1)
>>>
>>>                     PHP
>>>                   -------->
>>> +------------+                  +------------+
>>> |  T-labels  |                  |  L-label   |
>>> +------------+                  +------------+
>>> |  L-label   |                  | d-pw label |
>>> +------------+                  +------------+
>>> | d-pw label |                  |            |
>>> +------------+                  |  Payload   |
>>> |            |                  |            |
>>> |  Payload   |                  +------------+
>>> |            |
>>> +------------+
>>>
>>> case no L-labels.. (alternative 2.. and also alternative 3 if you
>>> think T- and L-labels are the same)
>>>
>>>                     PHP
>>>                   -------->
>>> +------------+                  +------------+
>>> |  T-labels  |                  | d-pw label |
>>> +------------+                  +------------+
>>> | d-pw label |                  |            |
>>> +------------+                  |  Payload   |
>>> |            |                  |            |
>>> |  Payload   |                  +------------+
>>> |            |
>>> +------------+
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Jouni
>>>
>>
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