Re: [Detnet-dp-dt] high level questions on detnet dataplane

Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Wed, 22 February 2017 11:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Detnet-dp-dt] high level questions on detnet dataplane
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Loa,


On February 22, 2017 5:33:20 AM Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> two questions, the first because I've be taling it for granted, the
> second brought up bu two indenpendent people I talked about DetNet with.
>
> - is a design criteria that the existing MPLS control plane protocols
>    shall be able to use with the DetNet dataplane?
>

This is more a wg question than DT one, and we're not there yet.  I'd say 
the intent *at this point* is that they should be allowed for, and any work 
done by the DT that would impact / limit will need to be documented and 
discussed.

Lou

> - I've heard the opinion (from two different directions) that doing
>    replication/elimination other than at the egress/ingress will make the
>    solution to complicated. Do we have a good motiation why we need it?
>
> /Loa
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