Re: [Detnet] [DetNet] Discussion on the WAN application in DetNet charter

[Lou Berger <[e-mail]>]

Quan,

Multi-domain is also in scope when those domains are "within a closed group 
of administrative control".

Lou


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On June 30, 2020 2:54:41 AM <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi Lou,
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> Thanks for your further clarification!
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> I totally get that the DetNet mainly focus on a single administrative 
> control not a domain.
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> In that case, DetNet can provide the end-to-end control and deterministric 
> properties.
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>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Quan
>
>
>
>
>>Re: [Detnet] [DetNet] Discussion on the WAN application in DetNet charter
>>Lou Berger <[e-mail]> Mon, 29 June 2020 10:09 UTCShow header
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>>Quan,
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>>Please read the use cases document -- which are just examples BTW.
>
>>As previously stated DetNet's scope is NOT limited to small or even single
>>administrative control. "networks that are under a single administrative
>>control or within a closed group of administrative control" includes any
>>size network as well as any network under multiple party control when
>>those parties cooperate on that control.
>
>>For example this may include all networks controlled by your favorite
>>national mobile operator, anyone they buy network services from and anyone
>>they sell services to. just as an example.
>
>>If you have a specific use case that you'd like to verify I suggest to
>>describe it to the WG -- it's often easier to talk specifics than
>>hypotheticals.
>
>>Lou
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> On June 29, 2020 5:22:54 AM <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> Hi Lou, Janos and Andy,
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your clarification! It is very appreciated!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I probably understand the scope of the DetNet. The networks which are in a
>> single administrative control are in scope of the DetNet.
>>
>> For example, the mobile backhaul network which is in a single
>> administrative control is defintly included in DetNet.
>>
>> But what about the small networks which belong to different domains and
>> large networks which belong to a single domain?
>>
>> IMO, the description in charter is confuesd. It only mentions the
>> campus-wide networks and private WANs.
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>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Quan
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>>>Re: [Detnet] [DetNet] Discussion on the WAN application in DetNet charter
>>>"Andrew G. Malis" <[e-mail]> Sun, 28 June 2020 21:21 UTCShow header
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>>>Quan,
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>>> Mobile backhaul is absolutely in scope, see section 6 of RFC 8578 for a
>>> discussion. In addition, section 10 talks about its use with 5G bearer
>>> networks. That RFC also has a number of other use cases.
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 3:28 PM Janos Farkas
>> <Janos.Farkas=[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>> I fully agree with Lou.
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>>>
>>>
>>> DetNet is NOT limited to small networks.
>>>
>>> As I wrote before, the key point is that DetNet is not for the big I
>>> Internet. One reason is not to try to boil the ocean.
>>>
>>> Note that a key motivation for establishing DetNet was to be able to go
>>> larger scale than TSN.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Janos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lou Berger <[e-mail]>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 28, 2020 12:28 PM
>>> *To:* [e-mail]; [e-mail]> *Cc:* Janos Farkas
>>> <[e-mail]>om>gt;om>; [e-mail]> *Subject:* Re:
>>> [Detnet] [DetNet] Discussion on the WAN application in
>>> DetNet charter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quan
>>>
>>> The key statement below is "networks that are under a single
>>> administrative control or within a closed group of administrative control"
>>> -- this statement allows for any sized network and does NOT restrict
>>> DetNets to " small networks ".
>>>
>>> I suspect the types of networks you mention below will generally be built
>>> "under a single administrative control or within a closed group of
>>> administrative control".
>>>
>>> Lou
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> On June 28, 2020 3:42:40 AM <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Chairs and WG,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I noticed that in DetNet Charter, it mentions that the networks which WG
>>> foucs on as following shown.
>>>
>>> "The Working Group will initially focus on solutions for networks that are
>>> under a single administrative control or within a closed group of
>>> administrative control; these include not only campus-wide networks but
>>> also can include private WANs. The DetNet WG will not spend energy on
>>> solutions for large groups of domains such as the Internet."
>>>
>>> IMO, this description seenms to restrict the WAN application and limit the
>>> DetNet to the small networks.
>>>
>>> I am not sure the WAN such as Metropolitan area network and Mobile
>>> backhaul network is in the scope of DetNet.
>>>
>>> Could you please make some clarification about that? Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Quan
>>>
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