Re: [Detnet] [DetNet] Discussion on the WAN application in DetNet charter

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Hi Lou,


Thanks for your further clarification!

I totally get that the DetNet mainly focus on a single administrative control not a domain.

In that case, DetNet can provide the end-to-end control and deterministric properties.




Best Regards,

Quan




>Re: [Detnet] [DetNet] Discussion on the WAN application in DetNet charter
>Lou Berger <[e-mail]> Mon, 29 June 2020 10:09 UTCShow header


>Quan,

>Please read the use cases document -- which are just examples BTW.

>As previously stated DetNet's scope is NOT limited to small or even single 
>administrative control. "networks that are under a single administrative 
>control or within a closed group of administrative control" includes any 
>size network as well as any network under multiple party control when 
>those parties cooperate on that control.

>For example this may include all networks controlled by your favorite 
>national mobile operator, anyone they buy network services from and anyone 
>they sell services to. just as an example.

>If you have a specific use case that you'd like to verify I suggest to 
>describe it to the WG -- it's often easier to talk specifics than 
>hypotheticals.

>Lou




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On June 29, 2020 5:22:54 AM <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi Lou, Janos and Andy,
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>
> Thanks for your clarification! It is very appreciated!
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> I probably understand the scope of the DetNet. The networks which are in a 
> single administrative control are in scope of the DetNet.
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> For example, the mobile backhaul network which is in a single 
> administrative control is defintly included in DetNet.
>
> But what about the small networks which belong to different domains and 
> large networks which belong to a single domain?
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> IMO, the description in charter is confuesd. It only mentions the 
> campus-wide networks and private WANs.
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> Best Regards,
>
> Quan
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>>Re: [Detnet] [DetNet] Discussion on the WAN application in DetNet charter
>>"Andrew G. Malis" <[e-mail]> Sun, 28 June 2020 21:21 UTCShow header
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>>Quan,
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>> Mobile backhaul is absolutely in scope, see section 6 of RFC 8578 for a
>> discussion. In addition, section 10 talks about its use with 5G bearer
>> networks. That RFC also has a number of other use cases.
>
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
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> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 3:28 PM Janos Farkas 
> <Janos.Farkas=[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> I fully agree with Lou.
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>> DetNet is NOT limited to small networks.
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>> As I wrote before, the key point is that DetNet is not for the big I
>> Internet. One reason is not to try to boil the ocean.
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>> Note that a key motivation for establishing DetNet was to be able to go
>> larger scale than TSN.
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>> Regards,
>>
>> Janos
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>> *From:* Lou Berger <[e-mail]>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 28, 2020 12:28 PM
>> *To:* [e-mail]; [e-mail]> *Cc:* Janos Farkas 
>> <[e-mail]>om>gt;om>; [e-mail]> *Subject:* Re: 
>> [Detnet] [DetNet] Discussion on the WAN application in
>> DetNet charter
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>>
>> Quan
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>> The key statement below is "networks that are under a single
>> administrative control or within a closed group of administrative control"
>> -- this statement allows for any sized network and does NOT restrict
>> DetNets to " small networks ".
>>
>> I suspect the types of networks you mention below will generally be built
>> "under a single administrative control or within a closed group of
>> administrative control".
>>
>> Lou
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>> On June 28, 2020 3:42:40 AM <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> Dear Chairs and WG,
>>
>>
>>
>> I noticed that in DetNet Charter, it mentions that the networks which WG
>> foucs on as following shown.
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>> "The Working Group will initially focus on solutions for networks that are
>> under a single administrative control or within a closed group of
>> administrative control; these include not only campus-wide networks but
>> also can include private WANs. The DetNet WG will not spend energy on
>> solutions for large groups of domains such as the Internet."
>>
>> IMO, this description seenms to restrict the WAN application and limit the
>> DetNet to the small networks.
>>
>> I am not sure the WAN such as Metropolitan area network and Mobile
>> backhaul network is in the scope of DetNet.
>>
>> Could you please make some clarification about that? Thanks!
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>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Quan
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