Re: [Detnet] [Detnet ] Fwd: New draft on A Queuing Mechanism with Multiple Cyclic Buffers

"Liubingyang (Bryan)" <liubingyang@huawei.com> Wed, 03 March 2021 10:35 UTC

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From: "Liubingyang (Bryan)" <liubingyang@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [Detnet] [Detnet ] Fwd: New draft on A Queuing Mechanism with Multiple Cyclic Buffers
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Hi Ehsan,

Great questions.

First, the queues of different nodes do not have to open/close at the same time.  Theoretically, time does not have to be synchronized. What is required is that the difference between the cycle starting times of neighbor nodes should be stable, i.e., the maximum time interval error (MTIE) should be bounded. According to ITU-T G.8261, the MTIE is bounded by 300 ns when a chain of up to 20 enhanced synchronous Ethernet (SyncE) clocks are traceable to an enhanced primary reference time clock (ePRTC).

The CQF as described in 802.1Q should work with different cycle times. I suspect the mechanism described in this draft should work with different cycle times, too. But I haven’t worked into the details. We can together discuss and work on it. Do you mean that a single node can run multiple cyclic buffers, and some of the buffers are with cycle values 10us, 20us, 40us … ?

Bryan (Bingyang Liu)

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Subject: Re: [Detnet] [Detnet ] Fwd: New draft on A Queuing Mechanism with Multiple Cyclic Buffers

Hello Joanna,

I think this is an interesting topic to be studied. The CQF with two buffers is addressed in IEEE802.1Q (annex T); however, it is not discussing multiple-queue version that leads to increase bandwidth utilisation when the dead time is large. From my understanding, this document covers CQF with multiple queues that is very nice. Regarding that, I have two questions:

1) Is the proposed mechanism operating in non-synchronised network?
2) Does the proposed mechanism allow different cycle times throughout a network? If so, how does the buffer allocation work (I didn’t get it well from the document)?

Thanks!


Best,
Ehsan



On 3 Mar 2021, at 08:01, Dangjuanna <dangjuanna@huawei.com<mailto:dangjuanna@huawei.com>> wrote:

Hi All,


Network forwarding with bounded latency and zero congestion loss is important for various industrial applications.  The DetNet working group draft "DetNet Bounded Latency"[draft-ietf-detnet-bounded-latency] describes requirements for queuing mechanisms.  To cope with long link delay, more than two cyclic buffers can be used.  Among the referenced queuing mechanisms, Cyclic Queuing and Forwarding (CQF) requires no per-flow dynamic state at core nodes, which is scalable when the number of flows grows.  This draft<https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-dang-queuing-with-multiple-cyclic-buffers-00.txt> discusses the details of the cyclic queuing mechanisms. We propose a queuing model and mechanism with multiple cyclic buffers, which can improve bandwidth utilization without sacrificing latency and jitter.



I list a few points as follows for discussion.

1.       The mechanism with multiple cyclic buffers can be used for bounded latency guarantee.

2.       In actual deployment, we need to know which nodes have this mechanism. Therefore, both the controller and YANG model need to be extended.

3.       While the latency is guaranteed, network bandwidth utilization and long-distance deployment should be the key considerations.



I hope that those above issues will arouse our attention.



Regards,

Joanna

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A new version of I-D, draft-dang-queuing-with-multiple-cyclic-buffers-00.txt
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Name:               draft-dang-queuing-with-multiple-cyclic-buffers
Revision:  00
Title:                  A Queuing Mechanism with Multiple Cyclic Buffers
Document date:       2021-02-22
Group:               Individual Submission
Pages:               6
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-dang-queuing-with-multiple-cyclic-buffers-00.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dang-queuing-with-multiple-cyclic-buffers/
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-dang-queuing-with-multiple-cyclic-buffers
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dang-queuing-with-multiple-cyclic-buffers-00


Abstract:
   This document presents a queuing mechanism with multiple cyclic
   buffers.




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