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Re: [Detnet] Soliciting comments for detnet control signaling draft

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From: Balázs Varga A <balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [Detnet] Soliciting comments for detnet control signaling draft
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Hi,

Just a couple of comments, what could be worth to sort out before an interim:

1, What is the scenario here? "TSN_over_DetNet" or "DetNet_over_TSN".
We need discussions for both, but would be great to go step-by-step.
It would be great to have a description/drawing on the scenario and see
e.g., the protocol peers (both internal and external ones), where DetNet
nodes are, where DetNet service starts/ends.

2, How is this draft related to the TSN specific data plane drafts?
Those are describing requirement and solutions for "TSN-aware DetNet" nodes.
I am not fully sure that your draft follows that concept.

3, Described API contains only a portion of flow-information-model draft parameters.
Is it intentional? If yes, why the deviation?

4, Please, clarify your terminology. E.g., what do You mean by Transport Flow Identifier?
What is a DetNet IP Flow Edge Network? Many terms are new from DetNet perspective.
Some of the text is unclear e.g., text before Figure 2 "... second L2 control plane entity
bridges to ..." (What is bridged by the control plane? Do You mean data plane?)

Cheers
Bala'zs

From: detnet <detnet-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Dirk Trossen
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:54 PM
To: DetNet WG <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: [Detnet] Soliciting comments for detnet control signaling draft

All,

As mentioned in the presentation in today's DetNet WG, we would be very interested in hearing your views and comments on the proposed RSP DetNet proposal made in the control signaling draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-trossen-detnet-control-signaling-00)

Please send any comments to the list for discussions, which we can hopefully deepen in the suggested interims meeting. Any suggestions for contributions is also warmly welcome.

Best regards,

Dirk

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