Re: [Detnet] FW: New Version Notification for draft-trossen-detnet-rsvp-tsn-01.txt

Lou,

As you noted, this is a framework document, not a protocol extension
document. Dirk asked a question about whether he needed to discuss the need
for RSVP control of DetNet, and I was just reminding him that it's already
included in the framework draft.

Cheers,
Andy

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 8:49 AM Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

> Andy,
>
> Are you expecting to put in RSVP extensions for jetnet in this document?
> Typically we don't see protocol extensions in framework documents...
>
> Lou
> ------------------------------
>
> On January 17, 2022 7:28:40 AM "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dirk and Greg,
>>
>> As always, comments and improvements on the draft are welcome!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 3:26 AM Dirk Trossen <dirk.trossen@huawei.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, indeed, this was our entry point and I’m studying the latest
>>> version to see how we can build on and extend from it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dirk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
>>> G. Malis
>>> *Sent:* 14 January 2022 18:37
>>> *To:* Dirk Trossen <dirk.trossen=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
>>> *Cc:* DetNet WG <detnet@ietf.org>; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; TEAS
>>> WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] FW: New Version Notification for
>>> draft-trossen-detnet-rsvp-tsn-01.txt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dirk, Lou, et al,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't forget that draft-ietf-detnet-controller-plane-framework already
>>> has some text discussing the use of RSVP-TE as (a part of) the DetNet
>>> control plane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 12:18 PM Dirk Trossen <dirk.trossen=
>>> 40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Lou,
>>>
>>> Thanks for coming back on this. Great to hear the discussions with the
>>> TEAS chairs, shedding light on the key issue from 110 regarding the long
>>> term home.
>>>
>>> When you talk about the 'general solution for RSVP control of DetNet',
>>> are you talking about identifying the need (e.g., use cases) for doing so
>>> or the actual solution for doing so (beyond just TSN-based L2s)? The former
>>> is currently included as a note in the (small) draft update, i.e.
>>> attempting to provide a better motivation as to why end user initiated
>>> reservation would be used; our plan is to include this into the next
>>> update. For the latter, our approach was to narrow the scope to RSVP over
>>> TSN networks, i.e. it's not a general solution. Are you saying that such
>>> general solution ought to be addressed first before a narrower one for TSN?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Dirk
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
>>> Sent: 14 January 2022 14:20
>>> To: Dirk Trossen <dirk.trossen@huawei.com>
>>> Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>; DetNet WG <detnet@ietf.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Detnet] FW: New Version Notification for
>>> draft-trossen-detnet-rsvp-tsn-01.txt
>>>
>>> Dirk,
>>>
>>> Thank you for this and reviving your work.   The AD and TEAS/DetNet
>>> chairs did discuss this and agreed that TEAS is probably the right long
>>> term home for this work, but only once the DetNet WG agrees that this work
>>> should move forward.
>>>
>>> One key comment (I think made at 110 or on the list) that needs to be
>>> addresses before this work can be really considered  is identifying the
>>> general  solution for RSVP control of DetNet. Your work can be the
>>> foundation for this or it can be done in a separate document -- in other
>>> words, RSVP for DetNet is a necessary precursor for RSVP extensions in
>>> support of DetNet/TSN.
>>>
>>> We hope that you are willing to work on and even publish the initial
>>> version of an RSVP for DetNet document.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Lou
>>>
>>> As DetNet Co-Chair
>>>
>>> On 1/11/2022 7:26 AM, Dirk Trossen wrote:
>>> > All,
>>> >
>>> > Apologies from our side for the silence in updating the RSVP-TSN draft
>>> (see below), capturing the main points of the discussion during the IETF111
>>> presentation. We would want to rekindle the work after clarifying some
>>> aspects internal to the authors' organizations.
>>> >
>>> > The main points, also addressed in the small changes to the previous
>>> version related to two aspects:
>>> > 1. during the IETF111 discussion, the question was raised as to where
>>> the work should be placed or with which other WG to liaise with for this
>>> work (TEAS and CCAMP were mentioned). This aspect is added to the
>>> introduction and we would like to invite the list to comment on this.
>>> >
>>> > 2. there was a question on the use of RSVP for detnet in general, i.e.
>>> the need for endpoint-signaled communication. We placed a note into the use
>>> case section on this, intending to provide more info on this in another
>>> update before IETF113.
>>> >
>>> > Not included in this update but planned for the aforementioned update
>>> before IETF113 are also additions to the protocol formats. Also, we would
>>> like to explore the interest in a demo that could be provided to the
>>> community.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> >
>>> > Dirk
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]
>>> > Sent: 11 January 2022 13:21
>>> > To: Dirk Trossen <dirk.trossen@huawei.com>; Juergen Schmitt
>>> > <juergen.jues.schmitt@siemens.com>
>>> > Subject: New Version Notification for
>>> > draft-trossen-detnet-rsvp-tsn-01.txt
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > A new version of I-D, draft-trossen-detnet-rsvp-tsn-01.txt
>>> > has been successfully submitted by Dirk Trossen and posted to the IETF
>>> repository.
>>> >
>>> > Name:         draft-trossen-detnet-rsvp-tsn
>>> > Revision:     01
>>> > Title:                RSVP for TSN Networks
>>> > Document date:        2022-01-11
>>> > Group:                Individual Submission
>>> > Pages:                16
>>> > URL:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-trossen-detnet-rsvp-tsn-01.txt
>>> > Status:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-trossen-detnet-rsvp-tsn/
>>> > Htmlized:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-trossen-detnet-rsvp-tsn
>>> > Diff:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-trossen-detnet-rsvp-tsn-01
>>> >
>>> > Abstract:
>>> >     This document provides a solution for control plane signaling by
>>> >     virtue of proposing changes to RSVP signaling with deterministic
>>> >     services at the underlying TSN enabled layer. The solution covers
>>> >     distributed, centralized, and hybrid signaling scenarios in the TSN
>>> >     and SDN domain. The proposed changes to RSVP IntServ, called RSVP
>>> TSN
>>> >     in the remainder of this document, provide a better integration
>>> with
>>> >     Layer 2 technologies for resource reservation, for which we outline
>>> >     example API specifications for the realization of RSVP TSN.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
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