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In addition, significant parts of the content are very similar - e.g. parts of section 6.3 of the draft are word-for-word the same as parts of section 8 of the ITU-T Recommendation. The ITU-T Recommendation is missing from the draft's References section. I am unclear why we are considering duplicating work that appears to be already completed at the ITU. Best regards, Mike On Fri, 5 Dec 2025 at 15:49, Janos Farkas wrote: > Hi, > > > > This email begins a 4-week adoption poll for: > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-joung-detnet-stateless-fair-queuin= g/05/ > > > > No IPR has been disclosed for this document. > > > > Please voice your support or technical objections to adoption on the > > list by the end of the day (any time zone) January 2nd. > > > > As a reminder this document is part of the larger set of adoption calls > > of the documents discussed at IETF 124: > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-joung-detnet-stateless-fair-queuin= g/05 > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peng-detnet-deadline-based-forward= ing/18 > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peng-detnet-packet-timeslot-mechan= ism/13 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-detnet-tcqf/09 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-detnet-glbf/06 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ryoo-detnet-ontime-forwarding/04 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ryoo-detnet-nscore/02 > > > > Thank you, > > J=C3=A1nos (as Co-chair) > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list -- detnet@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to detnet-leave@ietf.org > --0000000000001fdd920645ae8936 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

This = proposal appears very similar to ITU-T Recommendation Y.3129, which I belie= ve was developed by some of the same authors.


The abstract text of the I-D is virtually identical to the summary of Y.= 3129. In addition, significant parts of the content are very similar - e.g.= =C2=A0parts of section 6.3 of the draft are word-for-word the same as parts= of section 8 of the ITU-T Recommendation.=C2=A0

T= he ITU-T Recommendation is missing from the draft's References section.=

I am unclear why we are considering duplicating w= ork that appears to be already completed at the ITU.=C2=A0

Best regards,

Mike

On Fri, 5 Dec 202= 5 at 15:49, Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> w= rote:

Hi,

=C2=A0<= /span>

This email begins a 4= -week adoption poll for:

=C2=A0<= /span>

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-joung-detnet-stateless-= fair-queuing/05/

=C2=A0<= /span>

No IPR has been discl= osed for this document.

=C2=A0<= /span>

Please voice your sup= port or technical objections to adoption on the

list by the end of th= e day (any time zone) January 2nd.

=C2=A0<= /span>

As a reminder this do= cument is part of the larger set of adoption calls

of the documents disc= ussed at IETF 124:

=C2=A0<= /span>

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-joung-detnet-stateless-f= air-queuing/05

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peng-detnet-deadline-b= ased-forwarding/18

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peng-detnet-packet-tim= eslot-mechanism/13

https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-detnet-tcqf/09

https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-detnet-glbf/06

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ryoo-detnet-ontime-forwarding/= 04

https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ryoo-detnet-nscore/02

=C2=A0<= /span>

Thank you,<= /u>

J=C3=A1n= os (as Co-chair)

=C2=A0<= /span>

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