Re: [Detnet] DetNet MPLS over UDP - Normative reference to IP draft

"Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com> Mon, 18 November 2019 12:52 UTC

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 07:52:34 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Detnet] DetNet MPLS over UDP - Normative reference to IP draft
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Ethen,

My two cents is that those references should be normative, since in this
case you need can't implement one without the other. You should flag that
in the Shepherd's writeup, but even if you didn't, the RFC Editor will
catch it and create a cluster for the documents so that they'll be
published together.

Cheers,
Andy


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:24 AM Grossman, Ethan A. <eagros@dolby.com> wrote:

> Hi Balazs,
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> I note that the MPLS over UDP draft references the DetNet IP draft as
> Normative, and includes normative text referencing it:
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> “The packet MUST then be handed as a DetNet IP packet, per
> [I-D.ietf-detnet-ip].”
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> The IP and MPLS drafts do not normatively reference any data plane drafts,
> however the IP over MPLS draft mirrors the language above, so we have the
> same situation there.
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> I thought the intent was to cross-reference between the four drafts as
> Informative, to avoid dependence, but due to the above text, it appears to
> me that we can’t do that (or we need to change that text?). So my sense is
> that in the Shepherd writeup I have to note this and explain that we intend
> to publish the drafts “simultaneously”.
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> Does that sound right? And/or should we (or have you already) address(ed)
> this in some other way?
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> Please advise.
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> Thanks,
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> Ethan (as Document Shepherd).
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