Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-stable-privacy-addresses (Respond by Aug 11, 2015)
Christian Huitema <huitema@microsoft.com> Fri, 31 July 2015 19:34 UTC
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From: Christian Huitema <huitema@microsoft.com>
To: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, Tomek Mrugalski <tomasz.mrugalski@gmail.com>, "Bernie Volz (volz)" <volz@cisco.com>, "dhcwg@ietf.org" <dhcwg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-stable-privacy-addresses (Respond by Aug 11, 2015)
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On Friday, July 31, 2015 6:35 AM, Fernando Gont wrote: > > On 07/29/2015 07:45 PM, Tomek Mrugalski wrote: > ... > > But my strongest objection to it is that privacy and stable do not mix > > well. > > It all depends on what you mean by privacy. Here were *aiming* to allow to > activity correlation within the same network. It's a goal, not a flaw. If what > bothers you is the use of "privacy" in the title, please say so. By definition, stable addresses allow for tracking over time, which is the antinomy of privacy. > > The general consensus seems be that changing MAC addresses and all > > associated identifiers over time is the way to go. That's what the > > anonymity profile and other associated work in other WGs is proposing. > > Had we published this draft, it would be confusing for vendors what > > the recommendation for privacy is: randomize MAC addresses or go with > > stable privacy addresses. Based on that I'm in favor of dropping this work. > > Has anyone really assessed everything that could go wrong with randomized > MAC addresses? -- THink of SAVI and other first-hop-secuity mechanisms, issues > with the ND cache, etc. There are certainly environments where administrators will require users to give up privacy so the network can be controlled more efficiently. But it is very obvious that if you want privacy, you do not want to use stable identifiers. That's particularly true for the identifiers used at the MAC layer of wireless networks. They can be monitored by just listening to the airwaves. Keeping them constant implies "stable tracking." But it is also true for identifiers embedded in IPv6 addresses. -- Christian Huitema
- [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-stable… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Tomek Mrugalski
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Christian Huitema
- [dhcwg] Security/Privacy & Addressing (was: Re: I… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Tomek Mrugalski
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Liushucheng (Will)
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Linhui Sun
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Linhui Sun
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Chuck Anderson
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] IETF-93 Follow Up - draft-ietf-dhc-st… Lorenzo Colitti