RE: [ntpwg] [dhcwg] Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) OptionsforDHCPv6

<anthony.flavin@bt.com> Wed, 28 November 2007 09:13 UTC

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Perhaps some other ISP's involved with the NTPWG would care to comment
on whether or not the poor practice of the past is still in place, or
being replaced with best practice (which is to install their own
servers, or reach an agreement for the use of somebody else's). 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad@shub-internet.org] 
Sent: 27 November 2007 18:42
To: Flavin,AJ,Tony,DMJ R; brad@shub-internet.org; Mark_Andrews@isc.org
Cc: mayer@ntp.isc.org; ntpwg@lists.ntp.org; mellon@fugue.com;
rgayraud@cisco.com; dhcwg@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [ntpwg] [dhcwg] Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP)
OptionsforDHCPv6

On 11/27/07, <anthony.flavin@bt.com> wrote:

>  Completely wrong.

My statement was with regards to most ISPs that I have experience with
or or where we have had reports from others.

Your specific ISP was not necessarily included in that statement. 
Therefore, your single solitary counter-example does not necessarily
disprove anything.

>  I can assure you that we do run our own NTP servers, and our customer

> routers are pre-configured with a Name not an IP address to get to
them.
>  We let our DNS servers sort out the load balancing issues (if we ever

> get any).

You're just one ISP.  You do not comprise the whole of all ISPs on the
planet.

>  It's working fine, and several hundred-thousand clients can't be
wrong!

And I personally worked at AOL (tens of millions of customers) and the
largest ISP in Belgium (over a million customers), and I've consulted at
other ISPs around the world.  We've also had reports regarding a number
of other ISPs around the world.

Your one counter example does not disprove our experience.

--
Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

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