[dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-01.txt
JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉 <jinmei@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp> Tue, 03 August 2004 01:58 UTC
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From: JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉 <jinmei@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp>
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Subject: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-01.txt
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Hoping it's not too late, here a couple of comments (or questions, actually) on the draft. 1. I'm still not really sure what the client should do for information when a lifetime expires. For example, the draft says in Section 3.1 that If client has received a lifetime with this option, and contacts server to receive new or update any existing data prior to its expiration, it SHOULD also update data covered by this option. If no new lifetime is received, it MUST behave as if no value was ever provided. I don't understand the scenario. Does this mean the following case? - The client sends an Information-request message, and gets a reply with a DNS server address (call it X) with lifetime of 1 hour. - 30 minutes later, the client happens to resend an Information-request message. This time, it gets a response, but the response does not contain either DNS server address X or a new lifetime. If this is an intended scenario, then what does "behave as if no value was ever provided"? Does it mean the client MUST treat address X as if it had infinite lifetime? Or does this mean the client MUST regard address X expired immediately? Or something else? Also, I don't understand what the client should do with DNS server address X when the lifetime expires and the client does not get any reply for the try to update the information. Should the client invalidate address X? Can/should it continue to use it? Even if the client can update the information of address X with a new lifetime, how can we regard the period from the time when the previous lifetime expires and the time when the client gets the new information? Should we temporarily invalidate the address during the update period? Or Can we continue to use it? Probably the latter makes sense when the client can update the information, but it does not really match my intuition of "expiration"... 2. the usage of the lifetime option for other exchanges than Info-req/Reply exchanges. I'm even not 100% sure if the lifetime can be used for the other types of exchanges. Probably it can according to the draft, but then I'll have several questions on how to use it. For example, the draft says: Before making the request it MUST wait for a random amount of time between 0 and INF_MAX_DELAY. INF_MAX_DELAY is defined in [RFC 3315]. Is this also applies to the other cases even if INF_MAX_DELAY is a dedicated parameter for Info-req? If so, is it really valid? Also, how does the client exactly react to the expiration event for the other cases? For example, consider the following scenario: - the client performs Solicit->Advertise->Request->Reply exchanges, and gets an IPv6 address allocated, a DNS server address X, and an associated lifetime T. - before the timeout "T1" for the allocated address passes, lifetime T expires. In this case, should the client restart the entire session from Solicit? Or should the client send a renew message? If so, the renew message also tries to update the allocated address even if it's too early? Or should the client even start Information-request/Reply exchanges just to update the DNS address information? As an implementor, it's very hard to implement this option with confidence just from this specification... JINMEI, Tatuya Communication Platform Lab. Corporate R&D Center, Toshiba Corp. jinmei@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg
- [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-01.txt JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- [dhcwg] Re: comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] Re: comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifeti… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Joe Quanaim
- Re: [dhcwg] Re: comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifeti… Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Ted Lemon
- RE: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Joe Quanaim
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Joe Quanaim
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Stig Venaas
- RE: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Joe Quanaim
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Stig Venaas
- RE: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Joe Quanaim
- RE: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Stig Venaas
- RE: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Stig Venaas
- RE: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Joe Quanaim
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Stig Venaas
- RE: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: comm… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Joe Quanaim
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Tim Chown
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Joe Quanaim
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Joe Quanaim
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Ted Lemon
- RE: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Bernie Volz
- RE: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Robert Elz
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Robert Elz
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Robert Elz
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Joe Quanaim
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] dhc-lifetime-01: dropping omitted opt… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] comments on draft-ietf-dhc-lifetime-0… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Robert Elz
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Joe Quanaim
- Re: [dhcwg] behavior on lifetime expiration (Re: … Stig Venaas