Re: [dhcwg] whether/how to support Confirm with sedhcpv6

神明達哉 <jinmei@wide.ad.jp> Tue, 28 March 2017 04:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dhcwg] whether/how to support Confirm with sedhcpv6
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At Sun, 26 Mar 2017 14:44:49 +0000,
"Bernie Volz (volz)" <volz@cisco.com> wrote:

> Good point ... I was thinking that encrypted Confirm (or Rebind)
> would be fine - if still on same link (or at least server) it would
> work just fine. Otherwise, client times out and is left to use other
> mechanisms (RS/RA)?

I think that's find in the case of Rebind: if the current server dies
but there are other available servers, and if the admin chooses to
deploy sedhcpv6 in that network, other servers hopefully share the
same server key pair and can decrypt the encrypted Rebind.  (But even
if so, it may be a good idea to discuss this point explicitly).

But, in the case of Confirm and when the client has actually moved,
this approach will involve some longer time until the client falls
back to other mechanisms including a restart of DHCPv6.  This is worse
than the current Confirm without sedhcpv6, and I think it's generally
better to eliminate such regression.

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JINMEI, Tatuya