Re: [dhcwg] Call for Adoption: draft-yeh-dhc-dhcpv6-prefix-pool-opt-08

Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> Fri, 07 September 2012 12:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Call for Adoption: draft-yeh-dhc-dhcpv6-prefix-pool-opt-08
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Le 05/09/2012 10:06, Ole Trøan a écrit :
> Ted,
>
>>> I look at it differently. you are adding more complexity on
>>> functions that are not in the data path. in my book that isn't
>>> fate sharing.
>>
>> How is this not on the data path?
>
> the DHCP server is not on the data path. unless one follows the model
> described in 3633 where the DHCP server is on the PE router.

I agree because our DHCP Server is not on the data path, but has the 
info about all data paths.

> [...]
>
>>> this is like saying that configuring OSPF on a router is a
>>> unsolved problem, just because it isn't done with DHCP. ;-)
>>
>> No, if OSPF is how these routers are being configured, that's not
>> what I think of as static configuration.   Is that in fact the
>> case?   It's my understanding that there is no clean dynamic
>> configuration mechanism that ties back to the address allocation
>> system (that is, to DHCP).
>
> I might be missing something here. I don't understand how the
> aggregate route for a set of delegated prefixes is dynamic. when and
> how could all subscribers within a aggregate move?

I dont think the aggregation relationship could be dynamic - it's frozen 
bitwise operation - 11 is prefix of 1101 whatever the routing is set up.

Alex

>> It seems to me that what we are talking about here is exactly
>> analogous to what's done today in IPv4 with DHCP snooping and DHCP
>> leasequery, both of which seem to be good solutions that are widely
>> deployed and work well for network providers.   If there's a better
>> way, I'm all ears, but when I asked in the routing area, I got some
>> pretty vague answers that sounded a lot like "it's configured
>> statically."
>
> hmm, I didn't think the IPv4 aggregate route was deduced or
> configured from DHCPv4 either. the deployments I'm aware of, the PE
> is always configured outside of DHCP with the IPv4 subnets /
> aggregate routes. what's the analogy?
>
> cheers, Ole
>
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