Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-01.txt
"Bernie Volz (volz)" <volz@cisco.com> Fri, 15 January 2021 21:18 UTC
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From: "Bernie Volz (volz)" <volz@cisco.com>
To: "Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
CC: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, dhcwg <dhcwg@ietf.org>, IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>, "Dickson (US), Sean M" <sean.m.dickson@boeing.com>
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Subject: Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-01.txt
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If I were the DUID-EN, I think I’d be offended. DUID-EN is no different than DUID-LLT – the “ingredients” that go into them are just different: DUID-LLT Time and Interface Link type and address DUID-EN Enterprise ID and “data” (data is completely up to you – you could even use an aircraft registration code – see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_registration_prefixes). * Bernie From: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 4:13 PM To: Bernie Volz (volz) <volz@cisco.com>; Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>; dhcwg <dhcwg@ietf.org>; IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>; Dickson (US), Sean M <sean.m.dickson@boeing.com> Subject: RE: I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-01.txt Bernie, putting the entire global IPv6 unicast address space under the care of an arbitrary DUID-EN PEN code would be like sending Biden to the inauguration on a bicycle. You don’t transport VIPs to big events on vehicles made of tinker toys; you give them a full-length limo and full escort. Fred From: Bernie Volz (volz) [mailto:volz@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 1:05 PM To: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com<mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>>; Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com<mailto:mellon@fugue.com>> Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com<mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com>>; dhcwg <dhcwg@ietf.org<mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org>>; IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org<mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>>; Dickson (US), Sean M <sean.m.dickson@boeing.com<mailto:sean.m.dickson@boeing.com>> Subject: RE: I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-01.txt That anyone can get a PEN code has no bearing on this – the DUID-EN is still standards track because YOUR PEN will be different than someone else’s and hence their format does not “collide” with yours because the Enterprise IDs are different. This enterprise id has been very successfully used in the vendor class and vendor options (see RFC8415 sections 21.16 and 21.17). Cablelabs and other standards groups use these very heavily to provide for additional information that a vendor (or standards organization) needs to provide their devices. See for example https://community.cablelabs.com/wiki/plugins/servlet/cablelabs/alfresco/download?id=b74c68d8-b6af-45e6-81bf-936004d0273f. > That, plus I don’t want to carry around the extra 4 bytes for a PEN code… That’s life. There’s a lot of things I don’t want but have no choice over. * Bernie From: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com<mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 3:54 PM To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com<mailto:mellon@fugue.com>> Cc: Bernie Volz (volz) <volz@cisco.com<mailto:volz@cisco.com>>; Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com<mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com>>; dhcwg <dhcwg@ietf.org<mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org>>; IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org<mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>>; Dickson (US), Sean M <sean.m.dickson@boeing.com<mailto:sean.m.dickson@boeing.com>> Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-01.txt Ted, the allocation policy for the Private Enterprise Number (PEN) code for users of DUID-EN is not Standards Track; anyone and their brother can easily obtain a PEN code by filling out a simple form: https://pen.iana.org/pen/PenApplication.page I did one for “LinkUp Networks”, but that is not in any way tied to a Standards Track RFC. IANA did not even ask me any questions; they simply allocated the code for free. So, as far as standards status goes, an arbitrary PEN code has no standing while the global IPv6 unicast address space has full Internet standards status according to RFCs 4291 and 8200. I would therefore see it as a major DOWNREF to entrust the entire IPv6 address space to any random person who decided to register a PEN code. That, plus I don’t want to carry around the extra 4 bytes for a PEN code… Fred From: Ted Lemon [mailto:mellon@fugue.com] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 12:31 PM To: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com<mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>> Cc: Bernie Volz (volz) <volz@cisco.com<mailto:volz@cisco.com>>; Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com<mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com>>; dhcwg <dhcwg@ietf.org<mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org>>; IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org<mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>>; Dickson (US), Sean M <sean.m.dickson@boeing.com<mailto:sean.m.dickson@boeing.com>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-01.txt On Jan 15, 2021, at 3:25 PM, Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com<mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>> wrote: using DUID-EN with some arbitrary PEN code to encode the entire global IPv6 unicast address space would IMHO be an unacceptable DOWNREF. You said this before. I don’t understand what this means. DUID-EN is in a standards track RFC. How is this a DOWNREF? And why use an arbitrary enterprise number?
- [dhcwg] FW: I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] FW: I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ip… Mark Smith
- [dhcwg] FW: I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Antonio Escalera
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [dhcwg] FW: I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ip… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bob Hinden
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Antonio Escalera
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bob Hinden
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… otroan
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Bob Hinden
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Bob Hinden
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Ole Troan
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Simon Hobson
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bob Hinden
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-temp… Bob Hinden
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Simon Hobson
- Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-0… Templin (US), Fred L