Re: [Dime] Conclusion for Sequence Numbers - was Re: OVLI: comments to 4.3

Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> Tue, 10 December 2013 21:56 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Dime] Conclusion for Sequence Numbers - was Re: OVLI: comments to 4.3
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On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ben,
> 
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Jouni,
>>>> 
>>>> 1. I find the texts
>>>> a) "The sequence number ... does not need to be monotonically increasing"
>>>> and 
>>> 
>>> Means the delta from old-seqno to new-seqno can be any non-negative integer
>>> (within the given limits) not something fixed step/delta (like +1). As long as
>>> "new-seqno >= old-seqno" holds we are fine.
>> 
>> My understanding is that "new-seqno >= old-seqno" is the _definition_ of monotonically increasing.
>> 
>> But don't we want "new-seqno > old-seqno", that is, increase by a positive integer? (Assuming we are talking about a new OLR, not merely a copy of an old one.)
>> 
> 
> Zero delta is there since, as far as I understood, replaying an
> old (i.e. current) OLR or supported feature was desired functionality.

But that's not a new sequence number, is it? For that, the property is "old-seqno == old-seqno" :-)  The important thing is to ensure that, if the OLR is changed in any way, the new sequence number is incremented by a positive integer.