From nobody Wed Nov 9 13:30:43 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F4EC1522CD for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 13:30:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.006 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.006 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cs.ucla.edu Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P5AqRAJhnrUt for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 13:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu (mail.cs.ucla.edu [131.179.128.66]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71A74C14F73E for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 13:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAED3C01FA28 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 13:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id KGYkENVYEO7x for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 13:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4D63C01FA32 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 13:30:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.cs.ucla.edu 9C4D63C01FA32 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.ucla.edu; s=9D0B346E-2AEB-11ED-9476-E14B719DCE6C; t=1668029438; bh=OJXraRcoo2lJYCGkzX+9WBhuVio1cqvg0OprdceLDYQ=; h=From:Mime-Version:Date:To:Message-Id; b=qs3CAoeg6SjqjQvkaICPtWBS8jeq8zVxSE+/Bqi6u1B3FfopMuz4sVeZoy+yl6YPU 1bPe9QS4yyh8RYE1fwInlRICsMTYuhuvceyPeEEGglCBzS/uG3SL30e4j1djxH4tDY iJ2NJjsnlu4pm56zW6/AjENK0oiZcAxEX3AKFZsMRdiU3PFNO10odg7e5ryjJbs1YZ MzBdV80OuAVLE1GtRlUJN6vUYuRub5Oxpaist+R3Fftdh5S5QUDBZN2Z2y27r7yRyM xM7k3DruBhrSbB5JIdV3b1eMMRwnAzIh8HTcYjJEbVErIGyjwJ8JsirP6KQ3X6MTBW wbb9jj6fvbFiA== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.cs.ucla.edu Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9B9QJX0J0khG for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 13:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (dhcp-931c.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.147.28]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 211CC3C01FA28 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 13:30:37 -0800 (PST) From: Lixia Zhang Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AABE4AA5-5510-437E-AF3B-BCEFB9089892" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2022 13:30:35 -0800 References: <20221108082215.GA14862@openfortress.nl> <54BFCEE1-C2C7-47D6-B6DF-A16ED702814F@cs.ucla.edu> To: din@irtf.org In-Reply-To: <54BFCEE1-C2C7-47D6-B6DF-A16ED702814F@cs.ucla.edu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] DINRG side meeting on Wednesday X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:30:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AABE4AA5-5510-437E-AF3B-BCEFB9089892 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii just a quick update on the side meeting today: we had total 8 attendees, = 2 people online, 6 in person. I summarize below some suggestions that we discussed during the side = meeting (largely based on Monday DINRG meeting discussions), as an input = to charter revision discussion.=20 DIN RG may consider taking on 4 major tasks: 1/ serving as the forum for all discussions/input collections related to = internet centralization and mitigation developments. 2/ (utilizing the above inputs) collecting, developing, and maintaining = a list of measurement tasks that can help quantify the centralization = facts and consequences. DIN RG participants may carry out some of the measurement tasks, but we = would also like to motivate/encourage a broader community to join in and = help out. 3/ developing new decentralized apps and systems, from these first hand = experience to learn what it takes to build useful, and usable, = decentralized solutions=20 (or in case we bump into a wall, figure out why) 4/ Collect a list of documents to write, with a basic goal of helping = the broader community=20 i) better understand the problem space,=20 ii) examine various existing approaches to decentralization (how do they = work? what foundations are they build on? could they be effective?) iii) articulation of decentralization solution space vi) your suggestions go here The write-ups are not limited to internet-drafts; they can be long or = short, that fit in different venues to reach public. the above is from my poor memory; those who attended please help = add/correct.=20 Lixia > On Nov 8, 2022, at 5:58 AM, Lixia Zhang wrote: >=20 > Hi Rick, >=20 > DINRG side meeting is scheduled for 10:30-11:30AM tomorrow, in = Room Richmond 6 (indicated in slide 7 of opening slides). It's located = on West Wing, first floor. >=20 > For people who wont be able to make there in person, we'll open this = zoom room (I can record the discussion if we get a good mic): >=20 > https://ucla.zoom.us/my/lixia.zhang = >=20 > For this one hour side meeting, Dirk and I plan to focus discussion on = the group charter revision, taking input from yesterday's discussion.=20 > FYI yesterday's DINRG meeting recording is available online at = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRZJ521eHfhA = >=20 > If time permits, we may go through other issues brought up during our = meeting yesterday. Otherwise lets discuss online. >=20 > Lixia --Apple-Mail=_AABE4AA5-5510-437E-AF3B-BCEFB9089892 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii just = a quick update on the side meeting today: we had total 8 attendees, 2 = people online, 6 in person.
I summarize below some = suggestions that we discussed during the side meeting (largely based on = Monday DINRG meeting discussions), as an input to charter revision = discussion. 

DIN RG may consider taking on 4 major tasks:

1/ serving as the forum = for all discussions/input collections related to internet centralization = and mitigation developments.

2/ (utilizing the above inputs) = collecting, developing, and maintaining a list of measurement tasks that = can help quantify the centralization facts and consequences.
DIN RG participants may carry out some of the measurement = tasks, but we would also like to motivate/encourage a broader community = to join in and help out.

3/ developing new decentralized apps and systems, from these = first hand experience to learn what it takes to build useful, and = usable, decentralized solutions 
(or in case = we bump into a wall, figure out why)

4/ Collect a list of documents to = write, with a basic goal of helping the broader = community 
i) better understand the problem = space, 
ii) examine various existing = approaches to decentralization (how do they work? what foundations are = they build on? could they be effective?)
iii) = articulation of decentralization solution space
vi) = your suggestions go here
The write-ups are not = limited to internet-drafts; they can be long or short, that fit in = different venues to reach public.

the above is from my poor memory; = those who attended please help add/correct. 

Lixia

On Nov 8, 2022, at 5:58 AM, = Lixia Zhang <lixia@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:

Hi Rick,

DINRG side meeting is scheduled for 10:30-11:30AM tomorrow, = in  Room Richmond = 6 (indicated in slide 7 of opening slides). It's located on West Wing, = first floor.

For people = who wont be able to make there in person, we'll open this zoom room (I = can record the discussion if we get a good mic):

https://ucla.zoom.us/my/lixia.zhang

For this one hour side meeting, = Dirk and I plan to focus discussion on the group charter revision, = taking input from yesterday's discussion. 
FYI yesterday's DINRG meeting = recording is available online at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRZJ521eHfhA

If time permits, we may go = through other issues brought up during our meeting yesterday. Otherwise = lets discuss online.

Lixia

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