Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology
"Liubingyang (Bryan)" <liubingyang@huawei.com> Fri, 12 July 2019 07:24 UTC
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From: "Liubingyang (Bryan)" <liubingyang@huawei.com>
To: Jon Crowcroft <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>, Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
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I'm very interested in IETF's role in DLT, especially the DLT inter-networking capabilities. Other SDOs, e.g., ITU-T FG DLT and ETSI ISG PDL, are also working on DLT. So IETF's role should be carefully positioned. Bingyang (Bryan) -----Original Message----- From: Din [mailto:din-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Jon Crowcroft Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 1:30 AM To: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Cc: din@irtf.org; melinda.shore@nomountain.net; Thomas Hardjono <hardjono@mit.edu>; shigeya@wide.ad.jp Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology oh i guess we'd like to know the read/write rate for transactions on a given DLT for a given consensus algorithms - this may have a gating function for whether someone can use it to implement a cryptocurrency, but that's their call - distributed ledger (e.g. immutable logs) are definitely useful things and having some open interworking ones is obviously handy.... libra? i thought that was a stable coin non crypto, non dlt, centralised mint/check, paypal replacement from some social media company that needs to compete with wechat:-)? would love to see an open spec for it... On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 7:22 PM Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote: > > Agree, lets give crypto a good network to run over. Let’s make transactions fast, lets make the network efficient and accessiable through NATs on devices and cloud apps. And of course standardize a blockchain protocol so exchanges don’t have to be on n different blockchains just to service wallets. > > This reminds me of the IP versus AppleTalk versus IPX versus Apollo Domain versus Chaosnet versus OSI versus . . . > > Having said that, can we can somone from the Libra Association to talk about Libra? > > Dino > > > On Jul 11, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Jon Crowcroft <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > those sound like the right aspects of dlt to address - i'd leave the > > "finance" part of fintech out or we'll get into endless debates > > about fiat and stable etc etc which belong elsewhere... > > > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM Thomas Hardjono <hardjono@mit.edu> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Actually, the IETF has a crucial role in the future of cryptocurrency and DLTs in the general: > >> > >> -- Interoperability of systems has been a major concern (creed) of the IETF since its beginning in the late 1980s. (Blockchain systems badly need interoperability, IMHO). > >> > >> -- Various ciphers are standardized in the IETF. > >> > >> -- Upcoming ciphers and cryptosystems are discussed in the CFRG. > >> > >> -- PKI standards was developed in the PKIX WG in the IETF. > >> > >> > >> --- thomas --- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> | Thomas Hardjono > >> | MIT Connection Science > >> | http://connection.mit.edu > >> | http://trust.mit.edu > >> | > >> | e: hardjono[at]mit.edu > >> | http://hardjono.mit.edu > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: Din [din-bounces@irtf.org] on behalf of Melinda Shore > >> [melinda.shore@nomountain.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 7:55 PM > >> To: din@irtf.org > >> Subject: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology > >> > >> Mr Shigeya Suzuki of Keio University has asked for a side meeting > >> on distributed ledger-based financial technology, which will be > >> held on Thursday morning at 10am in the Coller Room. > >> It seems likely that the room may not be large enough, and I will > >> try to find a larger space. > >> > >> He asked that I share the session description: > >> > >> CFP: IETF’s relationship to the future of distributed ledger > >> technology > >> > >> As several people mentioned in the past, it seems valuable to > >> introduce the way we have developed/are developing the Internet > >> technology, followed by working on the governance of the Internet, > >> to experts who need to discuss the future of some new influential > >> global technologies, such as distributed ledger technology (DLT). > >> IETF and other technical communities should discuss openly to > >> develop open standards. For the deployment of the technology, also > >> important is to discuss multiple stakeholders from the point of > >> view of the social impact of the technology. > >> > >> Keio University, Georgetown University, and Japanese Financial > >> Services Agency have been discussing in the past several months on > >> how the experiences of the Internet technology and its governance > >> on the deployment, to find a competent and reasonable way to > >> developing and using DLT. > >> > >> As a part of the dialogue, the team mentioned above made little > >> progress at the G20 finance ministers and central bank governors > >> meeting in Fukuoka [1], to make financial regulators understand to > >> establish a multi-stakeholder community in the DLT ecosystem is > >> crucial. Please be surprised by reading the script of the speech of > >> introduction of the panel discussion [4] held as the official G20 > >> seminar in Fukuoka [2], moderated by Prof. Jun Murai, with Dr. Adam > >> Back as one of the panelists. > >> > >> IETF community might feel distant from this topic; however, if DLT > >> will be part of the basis of a future platform on the Internet, the > >> IETF community might be responsible for the technology. Moreover, > >> the tight relationship with crypto-assets in the context of > >> application-level deployment means that we should discuss DLT with > >> stakeholders, including regulatory agencies and financial > >> institutions. > >> > >> Our team succeeded in convincing regulators that conversation is > >> crucial. We need to be part of the conversation. > >> > >> The purpose of this meeting is to inform what is happening, then > >> starting a dialogue on the topic. We also want to find some > >> motivated souls to work on this effort together. > >> > >> Please come to the meeting. > >> > >> [1] G20 Finance Ministers and Central bank governors meeting > >> https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/ > >> > >> [2] G20 SEMINAR, G20 HIGH-LEVEL SEMINAR ON FINANCIAL INNOVATION, > >> “OUR FUTURE IN THE DIGITAL AGE > >> https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/meetings/20190608_1.html > >> > >> [3] Opening Remarks: Taro Aso, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of > >> Finance, and Minister of State for Financial Services > >> https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/01.pdf > >> > >> [4] Introductory remarks, Toshihide Endo, Commissioner, Japan > >> Financial Services Agency > >> https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/05.pdf > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Din mailing list > >> Din@irtf.org > >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Din mailing list > > Din@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > _______________________________________________ Din mailing list Din@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din
- [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Melinda Shore
- Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Thomas Hardjono
- Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Shigeya Suzuki
- Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Jon Crowcroft
- Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Shigeya Suzuki
- Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Jon Crowcroft
- Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Thomas Hardjono
- Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Liubingyang (Bryan)