Re: [Din] Workshop on Centralization -- Final Agenda

Dirk Kutscher <ietf@dkutscher.net> Wed, 09 June 2021 13:08 UTC

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Dear all,

for those of you who had to miss last week's workshop, here is the video 
recording:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kbSbVjb1ZU

(while we are working on minutes and a report).

Best regards,
Lixia and Dirk




On 1 Jun 2021, at 22:22, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

> DINRG Workshop (Interim Meeting) on the Centralization in the Internet
> ======================================================================
>
> -   June 3rd, 19:00 UTC to 22:00 UTC
> -   
> [MeetEcho](https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=ed3b91f7-04e0-4cdb-9477-f1014f5ca47b)
> -   [Meeting
>     Materials](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/session/dinrg)
> -   [Meeting Notes and
>     Bluesheet](https://codimd.ietf.org/irtf-dinrg-interim-2021-06-03)
>
> Agenda
> ------
>
> |     |                                      |             |        |
> |-----|--------------------------------------|-------------|--------|
> | 1   | Welcome and Introduction             | Chairs      | 15 min |
> | 2   | Panel \#1: WHY: Is Big Really Bad?   |             | 60 min |
> | 3   | Break                                |             | 15 min |
> | 3   | Panel \#2: HOW: How Did We Get Here? |             | 60 min |
> | 4   | Open Discussion: Feedback, Thoughts  | Chairs, All | 30 min |
>
> ### Panel \#1: WHY: Is Big Really Bad?
>
> #### Topics
>
> -   Economic, societal, regulation perspective
> -   Centralization in the Internet and Elsewhere
>
> #### Intro Talk: Geoff Huston
>
> #### Panel
>
> -   Dirk Kutscher (Moderator)
> -   Henning Schulzrinne
> -   Dominique Lazanski
> -   Geoff Huston
>
> ### Panel \#2: HOW: How Did We Get Here?
>
> #### Topics
>
> -   Architectural & technical discussion
> -   Factors enabling centralization?
>
> #### Intro Talk: Christian Huitema
>
> #### Panel:
>
> -   Lixia Zhang (Moderator)
> -   Thomas Hardjono
> -   Jari Arkko
> -   Trinh Viet Doan
> -   Christian Huitema
>
> Motivation
> ----------
>
> The networking community generally seems to agree that the Internet
> consolidation and centralization trend has progressed rapidly over the
> last few years, bringing impactful societal and economical 
> consequences.
> To counter that trend, multiple studies and activities have been
> launched to decentralize the Internet and the Web (for example see
> https://blog.mozilla.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/IHPbriefs\_decentralization\_March\_2017.pdf,
> https://solidproject.org/, and https://www.decentralizedweb.net/, plus
> various Blockchain-inspired approaches).
>
> When the internet started as a completely decentralized system 40 
> years
> back, at that time perhaps few people, if any, could have foreseen 
> where
> it is today. How did we get from there to here? What is driving
> aggregation and centralization in the Internet? What are the
> implications for industry actors and technology as well as for
> users/consumers?
>
> We believe that a good understanding of this question could make a 
> good
> first step towards understanding whether it is possible/feasible, and 
> if
> so, how, to steer the Internet away from centralization.
>
> Objectives
> ----------
>
> The objective of this workshop is to start an open discussion on the
> above question to help clearly characterize centralization in the
> Internet and to discuss its root causes. That is, before jumping to
> discussing various potential solutions, we suggest taking a step back
> and discussing how we got from there to here, and what were the 
> driving
> forces and enablers at each stage.
>
> We believe that a sound and evidence-based understanding is of key
> importance for devising any effective form of remedy and action plan. 
> In
> particular, we would like to foster an understanding on the 
> relationship
> of architectural properties and economic developments. For example,
>
> -   whether any architectural features, or lack of them, made an 
> impact
>     on the internet ecosystem developments and business models; and
> -   from a retrospective view, was there anything that might have been
>     done differently, to have an impact on the course the Internet has
>     taken?
>
> This is a complex problem with many relevant factors (technical and
> economic) and historic developments, so we would like to invite
> contributions on all of these aspects to this first workshop which may
> likely lead to further in-depth follow-up discussion. A result of this
> workshop could indeed be a more substantiated agenda for more focused
> future research in DINRG.
>
> Workshop Submissions
> --------------------
>
> This is the input that was submitted before the workshop. Thanks to 
> all
> contributors!
>
> 1.  [Measuring Web Centralization, Trinh Viet
>     Doan](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-measuring-web-centralization-trinh-viet-doan-00)
> 2.  [Centralization is about Control, not Protocols, Henning
>     Schulzrinne](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-centralization-is-about-control-not-protocols-henning-schulzrinne-00)
> 3.  [Protocol and Engineering Effects of Consolidation, Dominique
>     Lazanski](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lazanski-consolidation/)
> 4.  [Centrality in the Internet, Geoff
>     Huston](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-centrality-in-the-internet-geoff-huston-00)
> 5.  [We are probably doomed to Internet consolidation, but we should
>     still try do something., Christian
>     Huitema](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-we-are-probably-doomed-christian-huitema-00)
> 6.  [How We Got from There to Here: Searching for the Root Cause, 
> Lixia
>     Zhang](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-searching-for-the-root-cause-lixia-zhang-00)
> 7.  [Mitigation Options against Centralization in DNS Resolvers, Jari
>     Arkko](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-mitigation-options-against-centralization-in-dns-resolvers-jari-arkko-00)
> 8.  [Decentralization != Equality?, Trinh Viet
>     Doan](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-decentralization-equality-trinh-viet-doan-00)
> 9.  [Decentralized Data Infrastructures for the New Digital Economy,
>     Thomas
>     Hardjono](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-decentralized-data-infrastructures-for-the-new-digital-economy-thomas-hardjono-00)
> 10. [Autonomy is the real goal, Phillip
>     Hallam-Baker](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-autonomy-is-the-real-goal-phillip-hallam-baker-00)
> 11. [Focus on Standards Adoption, Charles
>     Eckels](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-focus-on-standards-adoption-charles-eckels-00)
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