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Re: [Din] End-End Principle

Lixia Zhang <lixia@cs.ucla.edu> Sun, 26 March 2023 05:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Din] End-End Principle
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Hi Patrice, 

thanks for sharing this writeup from 2004.
It mentioned about "end-to-end principle", I wonder whether there was some followup work that offers more specific descriptions?

Lixia

PS: I agree with the notion of overlays as the approach to roll out new designs.


> On Mar 22, 2023, at 1:27 PM, PATRICE LYONS <palyons@cox.net> wrote:
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> Thought that the attached paper on "The End-End Principle and the Definition of Internet" may be useful background information.  Patrice Lyons
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