From nobody Tue May 4 12:04:02 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934CC3A0CF4 for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 12:04:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.916 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.916 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xfh7W9Sz6ufH for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 12:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A1E53A0CEF for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 12:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.93] ([95.89.115.52]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MIcux-1ljFfE1qtR-00Eba2 for ; Tue, 04 May 2021 21:03:49 +0200 From: Dirk Kutscher To: din@irtf.org Date: Tue, 04 May 2021 21:03:46 +0200 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5757) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_CDDEC4F2-F078-405E-BF52-22217F8097B7_=" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:iMbzvvGf9gvmHvfxhyKw/UM0ITRN14y+SuP20T6smbwURNBE5ox 7Q0ZNhfsbotTw6Uhq/MylQfAnKuThkFkIJrCuZ+1vVqtb3c+vyV9q2eeQNFjZhXUpyevjHe 3EgFdNJvBGByM+p7kslKQZjpF+foDncepog9LxZBId6Sbv4bDiCTs/blqdcMsiXm1c9bQDq +wFqgWO/+af3fDHXAk2dQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:cgAZxC3XjZ4=:3SjP89BKIYSfZy53p79PBQ XDEdvfBlY9LgMzcenkGEbeoboX3Kx3vo6b1BY/Gx31hh2/SbUfWH5zf1jIXAyZ+OH/OIlDWGP MLtplEV1VBcHkmjjMTCftmXkngQ0m/1m//ksyQ48OjUvAGHXGT8CWLY/3pn03hJlGkp+ZgLkb 0gkr1GNwBFAGya5SGM/adT8vEevcpgy65EYS0A6M/11mR2O6/VhjHOgNqlt5BDwB6oidU+3Yi ztp1KbSWTt8jCt/mYfz0TycHKg+BNLieKNVJ6xpCeEAwdOPzJznCe4qMTQbpkv1S/UhKzq5pP CJOLl+pPS0W1nutjCKKQn3NPipxvZ7I9xpY3CKLe6t6UG3MlpqSP0x831e4lgJtcZJ0eWLjEW lv9ylrdXRMq8aKjUlNMbJAg9ZvVjES1zlZ6wgKx4J/7kY2KOqSI7vfZTmGNp2LWzf/2jD+uVO vtaCrRYVMRkfjrDztvqJxv5IdVEodMcOLjNhfTGRP/OjkK4u4N23EulD0oBXz/rRKkSOzHTqe hd9HuiSawUezwmkCrNVmJQ= Archived-At: Subject: [Din] DINRG Workshop (Interim Meeting) on the Centralization in the Internet X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 May 2021 19:04:02 -0000 --=_MailMate_CDDEC4F2-F078-405E-BF52-22217F8097B7_= Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable # DINRG Workshop (Interim Meeting) on the Centralization in the Internet We are planning an online workshop for the start of June that is = intended to enable a principled discussion on Centralization in the = Internet and its root causes. ## Motivation The networking community generally seems to agree that the Internet = consolidation and centralization trend has progressed rapidly over the = last few years, bringing impactful societal and economical consequences. = To counter that trend, multiple studies and activities have been = launched to decentralize the Internet and the Web (for example see = https://blog.mozilla.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/IHPbriefs_decentraliz= ation_March_2017.pdf, = https://solidproject.org/, and https://www.decentralizedweb.net/, plus = various Blockchain-inspired approaches). When the internet started as a completely decentralized system 40 years = back, at that time perhaps few people, if any, could have foreseen where = it is today. How did we get from there to here? What is driving = aggregation and centralization in the Internet? What are the = implications for industry actors and technology as well as for = users/consumers? We believe that a good understanding of this question could make a good = first step towards understanding whether it is possible/feasible, and if = so, how, to steer the Internet away from centralization. ## Objectives The objective of this workshop is to start an open discussion on the = above question to help clearly characterize centralization in the = Internet and to discuss its root causes. That is, before jumping to = discussing various potential solutions, we suggest taking a step back = and discussing how we got from there to here, and what were the driving = forces and enablers at each stage. We believe that a sound and evidence-based understanding is of key = importance for devising any effective form of remedy and action plan. In = particular, we would like to foster an understanding on the relationship = of architectural properties and economic developments. For example, * whether any architectural features, or lack of them, made an impact on = the internet ecosystem developments and business models; and * from a retrospective view, was there anything that might have been = done differently, to have an impact on the course the Internet has = taken? This is a complex problem with many relevant factors (technical and = economic) and historic developments, so we would like to invite = contributions on all of these aspects to this first workshop which may = likely lead to further in-depth follow-up discussion. A result of this = workshop could indeed be a more substantiated agenda for more focused = future research in DINRG. ## How to Contribute **Please send a message until May 16th EOB to dinrg-chairs@irtf.org** if = you are interested to contribute to the workshop. We ask that you = include a 1-page abstract (no special formatting requirements) of your = intended contribution that would help us to to categorize inputs and to = have a record of the different perspectives in the workshop proceedings = (DINRG meeting material). ## Format * DINRG online interim meeting, with open participation * 3 hours duration with one break * Lightning talks on different aspects of the problem * Ample time for discussion ## Logistics * Date and time: Thursday, June 3rd 2021 1900 UTC, 21:00 CEST / 05:00 = AEST (Fri) / 12:00 PDT / 09:00 HST (tentatively) * Duration: 3 hours with a break in the middle * MeetEcho (Online as an IRTF DINRG meeting) -- details TBA on DINRG = list --=_MailMate_CDDEC4F2-F078-405E-BF52-22217F8097B7_= Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

DINRG Workshop (Interim Meeting) on the Cen= tralization in the Internet

We are planning an online workshop for the start of June = that is intended to enable a principled discussion on Centralization in t= he Internet and its root causes.

Motivation

The networking community generally seems to agree that th= e Internet consolidation and centralization trend has progressed rapidly = over the last few years, bringing impactful societal and economical conse= quences. To counter that trend, multiple studies and activities have been= launched to decentralize the Internet and the Web (for example see https://blog.mozilla.= org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/IHPbriefs_decentralization_March_2017.pdf<= /a>, https:= //solidproject.org/, and https://www.decentralizedweb.net/, plus var= ious Blockchain-inspired approaches).

When the internet started as a completely decentralized s= ystem 40 years back, at that time perhaps few people, if any, could have = foreseen where it is today. How did we get from there to here? What is dr= iving aggregation and centralization in the Internet? What are the implic= ations for industry actors and technology as well as for users/consumers?=

We believe that a good understanding of this question cou= ld make a good first step towards understanding whether it is possible/fe= asible, and if so, how, to steer the Internet away from centralization.

Objectives

The objective of this workshop is to start an open discus= sion on the above question to help clearly characterize centralization in= the Internet and to discuss its root causes. That is, before jumping to = discussing various potential solutions, we suggest taking a step back and= discussing how we got from there to here, and what were the driving forc= es and enablers at each stage.

We believe that a sound and evidence-based understanding = is of key importance for devising any effective form of remedy and action= plan. In particular, we would like to foster an understanding on the rel= ationship of architectural properties and economic developments. For exam= ple,

  • whether any architectural features, or lack of them, made an impact o= n the internet ecosystem developments and business models; and
  • from a retrospective view, was there anything that might have been do= ne differently, to have an impact on the course the Internet has taken?

This is a complex problem with many relevant factors (tec= hnical and economic) and historic developments, so we would like to invit= e contributions on all of these aspects to this first workshop which may = likely lead to further in-depth follow-up discussion. A result of this wo= rkshop could indeed be a more substantiated agenda for more focused futur= e research in DINRG.

How to Contribute

Please send a message until May 16th EOB to dinrg-chairs@= irtf.org if you are interested to contribute to the workshop= =2E We ask that you include a 1-page abstract (no special formatting requ= irements) of your intended contribution that would help us to to categori= ze inputs and to have a record of the different perspectives in the works= hop proceedings (DINRG meeting material).

Format

  • DINRG online interim meeting, with open participation
  • 3 hours duration with one break
  • Lightning talks on different aspects of the problem
  • Ample time for discussion

Logistics

  • Date and time: Thursday, June 3rd 2021 1900 UTC, 21:00 CEST / 05:00 A= EST (Fri) / 12:00 PDT / 09:00 HST (tentatively)
  • Duration: 3 hours with a break in the middle
  • MeetEcho (Online as an IRTF DINRG meeting) -- details TBA on DINRG li= st
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