Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis

Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu> Fri, 01 June 2007 07:56 UTC

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>  Let me re-phrase that: does a rewrite/rearrangement affect the Draft
> Standard status? 
one of the main purposes of the document status is to show how much
confidence there is in the specification's clarity and accuracy.  if you
substantially rewrite a specification, whatever confidence you had in
the original specification no longer applies to the new specification. 
and you need to reestablish confidence in the rewritten specification. 
that implies a reset to Proposed.

so basically if you argue that the HTTP spec is so bad that a major
rewrite is needed, you're also arguing for
the rewritten HTTP spec to have a Proposed Standard status.  (as was
done for [2]822 and SMTP).