Re: Next step
"Clive D.W. Feather" <clive@demon.net> Thu, 25 January 2007 08:11 UTC
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From: "Clive D.W. Feather" <clive@demon.net>
To: Frank Ellermann <nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de>
Subject: Re: Next step
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Frank Ellermann said: > o Java uses the form \uNNNN, but can represent characters outside > Plane 0 (i.e., above U+FFFF) only by the use of surrogate pairs. > > One of the reasons why anything with \u or \U is a non-starter, there > are too many incompatible conventions in use. In particular, C uses \U with 8 hex digits because, at the time, there was a serious possibility that ISO 10646 would still allow all 32 bits (or at least 31) to be used. Had it been a few years later, we would probably have make \U indicate 6 hex digits rather than 8. > There is one significant disadvantage of the recommended form. The > > No, there are more, folks will assume that it's a convention they know > or a variant of U+NNNN[N[N]] with an arbitrary number of leading 0s. > Nobody will use \U012345 when they can hope to get away with \U12345. +1 > should not introduce any security issues that are not present as a > > My objections are also security considerations, because folks will > screw up with this encoding it could cause havoc. +2 If UTF-8 can make a security issue out of having more than one way to encode a character, so can we. [Which reminds me: being able to encode ASCII characters in this form might be a security issue as well, or it might be a useful benefit.] > In theory your proposal is compatible with C044, but in practice I > fear that it won't work as you expect it. I could live with e.g. > "authors SHOULD either pick hex. NCRs as in XML or" (your proposal), > but in fact I think that the XML-notation is much better. My only, small, discomfort is that people will expect all protocols to accept both hex (ሴ) and decimal (Ӓ). -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: <clive@demon.net> | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: <clive@davros.org> | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | |
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