Re: New draft (Was: I-D ACTION:draft-klensin-unicode-escapes-00.txt
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Thu, 01 February 2007 16:08 UTC
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From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
To: Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com>
Subject: Re: New draft (Was: I-D ACTION:draft-klensin-unicode-escapes-00.txt
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--On Wednesday, 31 January, 2007 22:18 -0800 Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote: > On 1/31/07, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: > >> While I think I agree with you about your second proposed >> paragraph above ("New protocols..."), I think my instructions >> with this document is to keep it narrow and to focus on >> escapes, not on general advice to protocol designers about >> Unicode or internationalization more broadly. So I don't >> want to go so far as to make specific (or even >> specific-sounding) suggestions. > > I hadn't read 2277 in years; having done so, I think that it > says what > I was trying to say quite effectively. De facto, this spec is > really > only usable for text (in the 2277 sense) when > internationalizing existing protocols. That is more or less what the text says now... watch for -02 probably sometime next week. >> This effort, and some others, have convinced me that we are >> getting closer to the time at which RFC 2277/ BCP 18 needs to >> be reopened, reviewed, and updated, but this document isn't >> the right place to do it, at least IMO. > > Really? Having just re-read that, I found little to disagree > with or > want to change. My pain point is 2223, but everyone knows > that. -Tim To give just one example, I think there is a case to be made about making/keeping text NFC complaint or at least examining that question on a per-protocol basis. john
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