Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Straw-man charter forhttp-bis]
Martin Duerst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Mon, 20 August 2007 08:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Straw-man charter forhttp-bis]
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At 15:56 07/08/20, Keith Moore wrote: >Mark Nottingham wrote: >> On 10/06/2007, at 6:05 PM, Martin Duerst wrote: >>> - RFC 2616 prescribes that headers containing non-ASCII have to use >>> either iso-8859-1 or RFC 2047. This is unnecessarily complex and >>> not necessarily followed. At the least, new extensions should be >>> allowed to specify that UTF-8 is used. >> >> My .02; >> >> I'm concerned about allowing UTF-8; it may break existing >> implementations. >concur. though at least it is possible to distinguish utf-8 from 8859-1. In practice indeed this can be done with high reliability; please see http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/mml/mduerst/papers/PDF/IUC11-UTF-8.pdf for details. For iso-8859-1, see in particular p. 21. >also, I'll note that supporting utf-8 in a way that is backward >compatible with existing implementations is almost certainly more >complex (and thus more costly, error-prone, etc) than supporting rfc 2047. Well, if "backwards compatible" means also supporting RFC 2047, then that's a tautology. If the choice is between UTF-8 and RFC 2047, however, then I'd take UTF-8 any time, because RFC 2047 includes UTF-8 as well as many other encodings. Regards, Martin. #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University #-#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp
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