Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents
Lisa Dusseault <lisa@osafoundation.org> Mon, 10 September 2007 20:56 UTC
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From: Lisa Dusseault <lisa@osafoundation.org>
Subject: Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:56:37 -0700
To: Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu>
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On Sep 10, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Keith Moore wrote: > tom.petch wrote: >> I said before on this Apps list that I saw some IS as potentially >> damaging: the >> sort of thing I had in mind is the I-D draft-hartman-webauth- >> phishing-05.txt, >> currently being discussed on the IETF main list. This has failed >> to achieve >> consensus and the document shepherd now proposes to seek consensus >> on a non-IETF >> list. OK, the list is public and publicised, but this topic is a >> really big one >> for Internet users and if the IETF cannot muster a Working Group >> to hammer the >> ideas into shape, then we should not be working on it - IMHO. >> And, by >> implication, no AD should be sponsoring it. >> > > I don't entirely agree with that. If the list is well-known, accepts > input from anyone, and tries to reach consensus (rather than, say, > trying to promote some organization's agenda), I don't see why the > results of a discussion on said list shouldn't be given a fair > amount of > weight by an IETF AD when trying to estimate soundness and community > support. Unfortunately I've seen a fair number of intentionally- > biased > lists outside of IETF (and a few inside of IETF). > > That said, list consensus (whether an IETF list or not) is not the > same > thing as IETF consensus. Even a chartered IETF working group > should not > assume that group consensus is a sufficient condition for adoption. Thanks, this pretty much states my intention and I believe Alexey's on discussing the hartman phishing draft :) The list is public and archived and listed on the IETF non-WG lists page. The fact that discussion will take place there is known now to the main IETF list. The result will be a bunch of input for Sam to revise his document, *not* an IETF consensus we can bash people over the head with :) Lisa
- Issues around sponsoring individual documents Lisa Dusseault
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents John Leslie
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Keith Moore
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Martin Duerst
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Eliot Lear
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents John C Klensin
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents tom.petch
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Jari Arkko
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents James M Snell
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Dave Crocker
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Lisa Dusseault
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Lisa Dusseault
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Martin Duerst
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Dave Crocker
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Lars Eggert
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Lars Eggert
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents John C Klensin
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Lars Eggert
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Keith Moore
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents tom.petch
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Keith Moore
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Lisa Dusseault
- Re: Issues around sponsoring individual documents Graham Klyne