Re: Why NETCONF needs a data modeling language

Chris Cross <xcross@us.ibm.com> Thu, 29 November 2007 16:49 UTC

Return-path: <discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org>
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxmZn-0004I1-OY; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:49:23 -0500
Received: from discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IxmZm-0004HQ-0i for discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:49:22 -0500
Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxmZl-0004HF-N8 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:49:21 -0500
Received: from e34.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.152]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxmZk-0005s2-SC for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:49:21 -0500
Received: from d03relay05.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay05.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.107]) by e34.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lATGnJYG007547 for <discuss@apps.ietf.org>; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:49:19 -0500
Received: from d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (d03av04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.170]) by d03relay05.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v8.7) with ESMTP id lATGn6rA076376 for <discuss@apps.ietf.org>; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:49:07 -0700
Received: from d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id lATGn2Np001569 for <discuss@apps.ietf.org>; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:49:03 -0700
Received: from d03nm119.boulder.ibm.com (d03nm119.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.145]) by d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lATGn2lp001565; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:49:02 -0700
In-Reply-To: <953beacc0711290812t68d2cc09se1f4ff0578cc5836@mail.gmail.com>
To: Rohan Mahy <rohan.mahy@gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Re: Why NETCONF needs a data modeling language
X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.1P Oct 16, 2006
From: Chris Cross <xcross@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <OF6117056C.AB6C683D-ON852573A2.005C20ED-852573A2.005C6067@us.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:49:01 -0500
X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM119/03/M/IBM(Release 7.0.2FP2HF300 | September 14, 2007) at 11/29/2007 09:49:02, Serialize complete at 11/29/2007 09:49:02
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005C5A30852573A2_="
X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----)
X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976
Cc: NETCONF Goes On <ngo@ietf.org>, discuss@apps.ietf.org, yang@ietf.org
X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols <discuss.apps.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>, <mailto:discuss-request@apps.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:discuss@apps.ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:discuss-request@apps.ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>, <mailto:discuss-request@apps.ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org

Rohan,
Some would argue that the XHTML2 document is a special case, as it has 
been a W3C political PITA ;-) Can you provide another example?

Chris

"Rohan Mahy" <rohan.mahy@gmail.com> wrote on 11/29/2007 11:12:16 AM:

> Hi Phil,
> 
> Organically as a practical matter, new work in W3C that uses XML is 
> definitely using Relax NG.  I don't think there is an official 
> policy statement or something like that.  A telling example is the 
> XHTML2.0 spec (work in progresss) at http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/ . 
> It is supposed to have Normative schema in RNG (Sect B+C), XSD (Sect
> D+E), and DTD (Sect F+G).  Only Relax is filled in. I have spoken 
> with folks active in other W3 working groups and they report a 
> similar pattern. 
> 
> thanks,
> -rohan

> On Nov 29, 2007 5:14 AM, Phil Shafer <phil@juniper.net> wrote:
> "Rohan Mahy" writes:
> >The W3C no longer uses XSD because it is an absolutely awful PITA.

> Are you saying that w3c has stopped using xsd?  Can you
> point me to a reference for that? 
> 
> Thanks,
>  Phil