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Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

"Clive D.W. Feather" <clive@demon.net> Wed, 23 May 2007 08:25 UTC

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From: "Clive D.W. Feather" <clive@demon.net>
To: Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call
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Keith Moore said:
> it could be argued that the best thing to do is to remove ALL of the
> rules from the ABNF spec, leaving only the language definition and
> examples.

While I don't support this, it does remind me of a problem. I've had
various people tell me in the past that "ABNF" includes Appendix B and,
therefore, it is neither necessary to cite the appendix or to define basic
concepts yourself.

I know that section 1 says that appendix B is "separate from its formal
status", but I suggest that the introduction to the appendix should make it
clear that citing ABNF does *not* include these rules by reference; such
inclusion by reference needs to be explicit.

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