Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis
Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu> Fri, 01 June 2007 14:48 UTC
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> I am not going > to support an IETF working group that says "nobody is allowed > to do a better job describing HTTP than what is in our charter." that's your choice, of course. but the charter wording is up to the IESG, and they have the authority to make decisions about what kinds of activities are in scope and which kinds of activities are out of scope. (the draft charter being discussed is just someone's idea of a proposal to be given to IESG and it's reasonable to debate it, or to suggest your own draft charter to the applications ADs) for better or worse, there's a lot of investment in the current prose. a drastic rewrite might remove some ambiguities but would certainly create others - and also create questions about exactly what was changed. if HTTP is updated by making relatively minor tweaks where possible, and major changes to text only when necessary, it's much clearer what was changed than if there's a major restructuring/rewriting of the document. that, and rewriting would force a reset to Proposed Standard and create an ambiguity over whether the Proposed or Draft version were authoritative. Keith
- Straw-man charter for http-bis Mark Nottingham
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Paul Hoffman
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Eliot Lear
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Paul Hoffman
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Paul Hoffman
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Mark Nottingham
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Paul Hoffman
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Mark Nottingham
- RE: Straw-man charter for http-bis Larry Masinter
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Eliot Lear
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Eliot Lear
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Mark Nottingham
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Eliot Lear
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Eliot Lear
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Cyrus Daboo
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Mark Nottingham
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Cyrus Daboo
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Yves Lafon
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Robert Sayre
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Robert Sayre
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Robert Sayre
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Robert Sayre
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Henrik Nordstrom
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Henrik Nordstrom
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Robert Sayre
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Robert Sayre
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Mark Nottingham
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Mark Nottingham
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Mark Nottingham
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Mark Nottingham
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Mark Nottingham
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Robert Sayre
- RE: Straw-man charter for http-bis -- call for er… Henrik Nordstrom
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Henrik Nordstrom
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis John C Klensin
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Eliot Lear
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Paul Hoffman
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Robert Sayre
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Chris Newman
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Paul Hoffman
- RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter for ht… Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Julian Reschke
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Paul Hoffman
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Eliot Lear
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Lisa Dusseault
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Joe Orton
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Henrik Nordstrom
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… lists
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… lists
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Eliot Lear
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Chris Newman
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Chris Newman
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Henrik Nordstrom
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Lisa Dusseault
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Martin Duerst
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Henrik Nordstrom
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Julian Reschke
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Mark Nottingham
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Adrien de Croy
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… tom.petch
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Keith Moore
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… tom.petch
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Keith Moore
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Mark Nottingham
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Adrien de Croy
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… Chris Newman
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Chris Newman
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Henrik Nordstrom
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis der Mouse
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Keith Moore
- Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter fo… tom.petch
- Re: Straw-man charter for http-bis Mark Nottingham
- Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Straw-m… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Keith Moore
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… John C Klensin
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Clive D.W. Feather
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Martin Duerst
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Martin Duerst
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Martin Duerst
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Clive D.W. Feather
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Clive D.W. Feather
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Keith Moore
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… der Mouse
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Keith Moore
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Stefanos Harhalakis
- Re: Character encodings in headers [i74][was: Str… Keith Moore