Re: Form feed in Net-UTF8? (Was: FWD: Re: Comments onUnicode Format for Network Interchange
Martin Duerst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Sat, 06 October 2007 05:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: Form feed in Net-UTF8? (Was: FWD: Re: Comments onUnicode
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FF is a tricky one. It's definitely used in RFCs, and can be helpful for printing (although less and less so). But in a protocol context, where pages are nonexisting, it will only cause trouble. So I'd suggest that the SHOULD NOT is kept, but give a bit more detail. For some shot at wording, I'd change: "SHOULD NOT be used unless required by exceptional circumstances" to something like: "SHOULD NOT be used unless the protocol or format has a need to express page breaks in plain text (as e.g. done in the format for RFCs)." Regards, Martin. At 00:57 07/10/06, John C Klensin wrote: > > >--On Friday, 05 October, 2007 17:12 +0200 Stephane Bortzmeyer ><bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote: > >> Doug Ewell said: >> >>> > I recommend that the control code FF (form feed, U+000C) be >>> > likewise permitted. The form feed function is well known >>> > and well defined in almost all printing functions, and all >>> > RFCs issued in modern times use FF to separate pages. It >>> > would ironic indeed for the Internet-Draft to retain the >>> > requirement that form feeds "SHOULD NOT be used unless >>> > required by exceptional circumstances" while advancing >>> > toward publication as an RFC, complete with form feeds! >> >> And I did not see anywhere a discussion of this specific >> point. I notice that draft-klensin-net-utf8-04 still disallows >> (actually, it is a SHOULD NOT in section 2.1) form feeds and >> I'm not sure of the rationale. Why end-of-lines and not >> end-of-pages? > >Because line breaks are required even for unformatted streams. >FormFeeds are not. > >But I find the above arguments reasonably persuasive and will >put FF back in unless others feel strongly about this. > > john #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University #-#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp
- FWD: Re: Comments on Unicode Format for Network I… John C Klensin
- Form feed in Net-UTF8? (Was: FWD: Re: Comments on… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: Form feed in Net-UTF8? (Was: FWD: Re: Comment… John C Klensin
- Re: Form feed in Net-UTF8? (Was: FWD: Re: Comment… Martin Duerst
- Re: Form feed in Net-UTF8? (Was: FWD: Re: Comment… John C Klensin
- Re: Form feed in Net-UTF8? (Was: FWD: Re: Comment… Dave Crocker
- Re: Form feed in Net-UTF8? (Was: FWD: Re: Comment… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: Form feed in Net-UTF8? (Was: FWD: Re: Comment… Bill McQuillan
- Re: Form feed in Net-UTF8? (Was: FWD: Re: Comment… John C Klensin
- draft-klensin-net-utf8-05.txt (was: Re: Form feed… Martin Duerst