Re: [dispatch] Discussion about draft-benecke-cfbl-address-header

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 14 January 2022 23:43 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dispatch] Discussion about draft-benecke-cfbl-address-header
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Hi.  The ietf-smtp list is the right place to discuss mail extensions.
I'm sending replies there and will send some more substantive comments.

But before that, do you belong to M3AAWG? That's where the people who
you would want to implement this are. The one-click unsubscribe
originated in M3AAWG discussions, so by the time it got to the IETF,
we knew that mail providers would likely implement it. I can make
introductions if you'd like.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly



It appears that Jan-Philipp Benecke <jpb@cleverreach.com> said:
>Hey dispatch wg!
>
>First of all, I would like to introduce myself briefly:
>My name is Jan-Philipp Benecke, i work as a Deliverability & Software
>Engineer at CleverReach GmbH & Co.KG.
>We're a email marketing provider offering a software-as-a-service for
>sending email campaigns and transactional mails.
>This is my first IETF related work, so i'm a newbie when coming to this :)
>
>I want to introduce you my email-related draft "Complaint Feedback Loop
>Address Header" which can be found @
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-benecke-cfbl-address-header/.
>The intention of this draft is to have documented, standardized and
>automated way to provide a so called complaint feedback loop address to
>mailbox providers.
>Currently, providing and maintaining such an address is a manual and
>time-consuming process for both sides, email senders and mailbox providers.
>This draft defines the required header, how the header needs to be
>processed and signed by DKIM.
>
>Now i want to kick off a discussion around the draft and collect
>feedback. This draft has already been presented to the ISE, Adrian
>advised me to introduce the draft to this wg for further review and
>discussion.
>
>There has been already a heavy discussion while writing within the
>Certified Senders Alliance (https://certified-senders.eu/), which is an
>association of mailbox providers and senders.
>The conclusion of this discussion was that a larger majority is
>interested in such an automated path.
>For example, 1&1 Mail & Media, the company behind web.de/gmx.de/mail.com
>(major mailbox provider in Germany), is very interested in this draft
>and would be happy to have this.
>The same feedback i already got from some email senders i'm in contact with.
>
>I look forward to hear your feedback about this draft.
>
>Best,
>Jan-Philipp