Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video interop between app providers
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Subject: Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video interop between app providers
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It appears that Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> said: >To me, it just seems bizarre to react to DMA with a >proposal that seems to further entrench the mobile OS >duopoly, and that's what limiting to phone numbers >seems to me to do. Phone numbers are identifiers, not networks. Signal and WhatApp manage to run their own E2E encrypted systems using phone numbers as identifiers, both of which work pretty well on my Mac laptop as well as on my phone. Figuring out how to make systems interoperable even with phone numbers as identifiers will be hard enough. Let's save boiling the ocean for later. R's, John
- [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video intero… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Brian Rosen
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Richard Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Richard Shockey
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… worley
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… John Levine
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Brian Rosen
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Richard Shockey
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Brian Rosen
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Richard Shockey
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Richard Shockey
- Re: [dispatch] EXTERNAL:Re: New I-D - SPIN - on v… Patrick Tarpey
- Re: [dispatch] EXTERNAL:Re: New I-D - SPIN - on v… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [dispatch] EXTERNAL:Re: New I-D - SPIN - on v… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Peterson, Jon
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Peterson, Jon
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Rohan Mahy
- Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video in… Eric Rescorla