Re: [dispatch] A WG for HTTP API Building Blocks

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Wed, 15 July 2020 06:14 UTC

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Hi Lucas,

> On 15 Jul 2020, at 9:36 am, Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On a personal note, I struggle a bit to understand how some proposal "foo" would be demarcated as HTTP vs HTTP API. That is probably case in point for the need of a community that understands these things better than me. 

There's definitely a grey area, and I suspect it will take communication and negotiation -- which is often the case between WGs anyway (we've had several of these kinds of interactions between HTTP and other groups like QUIC, DISPATCH and SECDISPATCH).

> I suspect my problem is that the interpretation of browsing is a little open and the charter could benefit from being arbitrarily more explicit. For instance, one pattern that is emerging is building Internet applications around the Web Platform but otherwise not supporting the notion of "general purpose web browsing", examples I have in mind are Progressive Web Apps, applications built on top of Electron, or "TV apps" in media clients. Therefore, the statement "[will not define] new extensions that are likely to be used by Web browsers" seems to rule out technologies and that seems a bit unfair.

One differentiating factor is whether the new protocol element is likely to be supported in the Web Platform itself (i.e., actually by the browser), or by code that's running in the browser on behalf of the origin. Would that help, if stated as general guidance (I don't think it should be an inflexible rule)?

Cheers,

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