Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket-03.txt
Peter Dunkley <peter.dunkley@crocodilertc.net> Mon, 20 January 2014 09:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket-03.txt
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Hi Christer, There is working code for the document as-is and plans for more implementations. I think that if someone has a need for MSRP-CEMA in this scenario then they should join with the current authors to contribute the text and working code for this. Regards, Peter On 20 January 2014 03:28, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>wrote: > Hi, > > I see no reason why it should be a separate document, as it should not have any affect on the websocket specific procedures, which is the main scope of the document. > > Regards, > > Christer > > Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia arc S > > Peter Dunkley <peter.dunkley@crocodilertc.net> wrote: > > > Hello, > > Perhaps the document title should be corrected. MSRP-CEMA is outside of > the scope of this document as this document is intended to describe > connecting to a WebSocket server that is an MSRP relay. > > I can see no reason why MSRP-CEMA can't be used over WebSockets, but if > anyone has an interest in this I think that they should put it in a > document of its own. > > > Regards, > > Peter > > > On 18 January 2014 08:52, Christer Holmberg < > christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I have not followed the work on this draft, so I appologize if the >> following has been discussed. >> >> >> >> While I do understand that a WS Client has to establish the WebSocket >> with the Web Server, I don’t understand why we need to mandate the WS >> Server to be an MSRP Relay. That would e.g. prevent the usage of MSRP-CEMA. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Christer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Lähettäjä:* dispatch [mailto:dispatch-bounces@ietf.org] *Puolesta *Mary >> Barnes >> *Lähetetty:* 11. tammikuuta 2014 0:59 >> *Vastaanottaja:* DISPATCH >> *Kopio:* Ben Campbell; draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket@tools.ietf.org >> *Aihe:* Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: >> draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket-03.txt >> >> >> >> I have agreed to shepherd this document. I've reviewed the document in >> anticipation of doing the PROTO write-up and have the following comments >> and questions. Ben Campbell has agreed to do the required expert review >> and that should be posted within the next week or so. This is also a >> good time for anyone in the WG that hasn't previously reviewed this >> document to review and provide any final comments. Note, that this >> document was agreed to be AD sponsored around the IETF-86 timeframe. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Mary. >> >> >> >> Review Summary: Almost ready. Comments & questions below. >> >> >> >> 1) Section 2 & General. I'm not sure the documented approach for >> separating normative text from non-normative is quite so helpful. In >> general, we expect that in the case of standards track document use RFC >> 2119 language to indicate normative behaviors. I think the first sentence >> is good, but that's not a terminology thing. I just don't see a lot of >> value in writing the document this way. For example, the definitions >> aren't stated to be non-normative, but I don't see anything normative about >> the definitions. I think you could easily title Section 3 as "WebSocket >> Protocol overview" and that would clearly imply non-normative behavior. >> There are also several places in the document in sections that I believe >> are intended to provide normative behavior, but there is certainly >> non-normative text in those sections (e.g., section 5.2.2, second >> paragraph). I would suggest this document follow the typical (and >> accepted) style of identifying normative behavior with 2119 language >> (consistently using upper case for normative behavior and avoiding using >> 2119 language in cases where alternative words can be substituted). >> >> >> >> 2) Section 5.2.2, 2nd paragraph. Related to my point above, it's not >> clear to me this is normative behavior. I don't think it is since it's >> referring to existing 4975 behavior. However, I didn't see that the >> reference given in 4975 relates to the second part of that sentence stating >> that implementations "should" already be allowing unrecognized transports. >> It would be quite useful to have the exact reference here as I was trying >> to double check this point and I couldn't find it. >> >> >> >> 3) Section 6. I'm really puzzled as to why the Connection Keep-alive >> would be non-normative. In particular given that 2119 language is clearly >> being used. >> >> >> >> 4) Section 7. Again, I'm puzzled as to why Authentication is considered >> non-normative. AGain, you have 2119 language in this section. >> >> >> >> 5) Section 10.1. Since securing the connection is just RECOMMENDED, what >> are the implications and risks if the MSRP traffic isn't transported over a >> secure connection? >> >> >> >> 6) Section 11. You should change the name of the registry to be the >> exact name of the IANA registry to avoid any confusion.- i.e.,: >> >> OLD: >> >> registry of WebSocket sub-protocols >> >> NEW: >> >> WebSocket Subprotocol Name Registry >> >> >> >> 7) Section 11. There is also a Reference field in that IANA registry. I >> would suggest you use the same information as the pointer to the >> Subprotocol Definition (i.e., this RFC). >> >> >> >> 8) It's typical for documents that are updating existing RFCs to have a >> section that summarizes the updates to the existing RFCs that are made by >> this document. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote: >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> >> >> Title : The WebSocket Protocol as a Transport for the >> Message Session Relay Protocol (MSRP) >> Author(s) : Peter Dunkley >> Gavin Llewellyn >> Victor Pascual >> Anton Roman >> Gonzalo Salgueiro >> Filename : draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket-03.txt >> Pages : 21 >> Date : 2013-12-12 >> >> Abstract: >> The WebSocket protocol enables two-way real-time communication >> between clients and servers. This document specifies a new WebSocket >> sub-protocol as a reliable transport mechanism between MSRP (Message >> Session Relay Protocol) clients and relays to enable usage of MSRP in >> new scenarios. This document normatively updates RFC 4975 and RFC >> 4976. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket >> >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket-03 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket-03 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I-D-Announce mailing list >> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >> Internet-Draft<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announceInternet-Draft>directories: >> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >> >> >> > > > > -- > Peter Dunkley > Technical Director > Crocodile RCS Ltd > -- Peter Dunkley Technical Director Crocodile RCS Ltd
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Mary Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Ben Campbell
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Victor Pascual
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Mary Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
- [dispatch] X over websockets Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Mary Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Mary Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
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