Re: [dispatch] [rtcweb] Datachannel Hackathon at IETF 101 ?

Hi,

I agree that the main purpose of the hackathon is not to make apps.

But, what prevents people from showing their apps, and discuss data channel related problems that they may have ran into? Also, having a "show case" may trigger wider interest :)

For example, when I did a file transfer app some time a few years ago, I noted that the data channel kept going down. On the Mozilla(?) developer site I figured out that one had to include application level pauses between sending fragments from preventing that to happen. Don't know if that is still an issue, but just to give an example.

Regards,

Christer

-----Original Message-----
From: Nils Ohlmeier [mailto:nohlmeier@mozilla.com] 
Sent: 26 January 2018 00:29
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
Cc: Michael Tuexen <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de>; Felix Weinrank <weinrank@fh-muenster.de>; dispatch@ietf.org; RTCWeb IETF <rtcweb@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] [dispatch] Datachannel Hackathon at IETF 101 ?

Hi Christer,

While I totally agree that it would be awesome to find killer apps for data channels I don’t think an IETF Hackathon is a) the place to find new killer aps and b) creating something at an IETF Hackathon requires an app idea to exist already.

It was my understanding	that Mr. Panton was proposing to solve the chicken and egg problem of people complaining that creating data channel apps (outside of browsers) is too complicated by hacking together an easily integratabtle data channel lib. I would totally be up to participate in that.

Once we have such a lib we and other then can start playing around and maybe until the next IETF we will have “some cool killer apps”.

Best
  Nils Ohlmeier

> On Jan 25, 2018, at 13:22, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> It would also be interesting to see some cool killer apps (other than 
> file transfers) using data channels :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Christer
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tuexen [mailto:Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de]
> Sent: 25 January 2018 22:27
> To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
> Cc: T H Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk>; Felix Weinrank 
> <weinrank@fh-muenster.de>; dispatch@ietf.org; RTCWeb IETF 
> <rtcweb@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [dispatch] [rtcweb] Datachannel Hackathon at IETF 101 ?
> 
>> On 25. Jan 2018, at 19:14, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If the purpose is to test different data channel stacks (in addition to just establishing the SCTP-over-DTLS association), I assume there needs to be some applications that use the data channels?
>> 
>> It would be nice to have webpage where people could add links to 
>> their applications using data channels, so that people can then click 
>> :)
> Some examples can be found at:
> https://github.com/nplab/WebRTC-Data-Channel-Playground
> 
> Best regards
> Michael
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Christer
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dispatch [mailto:dispatch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Michael Tuexen
>> Sent: 25 January 2018 19:47
>> To: T H Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk>
>> Cc: Felix Weinrank <weinrank@fh-muenster.de>; dispatch@ietf.org; 
>> RTCWeb IETF <rtcweb@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [dispatch] [rtcweb] Datachannel Hackathon at IETF 101 ?
>> 
>>> On 24. Jan 2018, at 12:28, T H Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There has been talk over on the w3c list about the scarcity and unsuitability of free-standing WebRTC datachannel implementations.
>>> 
>>> I wonder if this is a suitable target for the IETF 101 hackathon?
>>> 
>>> The challenge would be to throw up one or 2 free standing 
>>> datachannel implementations based on existing open source with APIs that might suit authors of networked games or SFUs.
>>> 
>>> Comments? Thoughts?
>> We are participating and could use the Firefox WebRTC implementation. We would be able to debug SCTP issues and possibly some issues in the WebRTC implementation of Firefox.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Michael
>>> 
>>> T.
>>> 
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