Re: [dispatch] [RAI] MSRP Expert Review of draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket-04

Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> Thu, 30 January 2014 14:25 UTC

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From: Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:25:11 +0100
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Subject: Re: [dispatch] [RAI] MSRP Expert Review of draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket-04
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2014-01-30 Olle E. Johansson <oej@edvina.net>:
> If I parse the W3C WebSocket API specification correctly, the script is not allowed to know WHY a Websocket connection failed. It's just a big failure. I would like to understand why they made this choice.

When RFC 6455 (Websocket) was being written I asked for the WebSocket
API [*] to provide more information about the WS connection failure
(specifically a way to know the HTTP error code if the Websocket
handshake fails due to a non HTTP 101 response). No success at all.
The rationale I was provided with is that JavaScript must not be HTTP
or TLS aware. Instead, the browser manages all these rules and errors.
Let's say that JavaScript just can play once the DNS/TCP/TLS/HTTP/WS
layers have succeeded. If they don't, JavaScript cannot figure why; it
just knows that "the connection has failed".

Believe me, that won't change.

[*] http://dev.w3.org/html5/websockets/


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