Re: [dispatch] X over websockets

Peter Dunkley <peter.dunkley@crocodilertc.net> Thu, 13 February 2014 21:32 UTC

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My point was more that if we are going to have a discussion about how we
refer to WebSockets (in SDP or elsewhere) then let's have it, but let's
also keep it separate from a reopening of the WebSockets vs DataChannel
discussion.

Which is the right transport (WebSockets/DataChannel) is a use-case
specific thing.  I don't see the need for any sort of "beauty contest" as
this is more like the difference between using TCP vs UDP - some things
work on both and some are better suited to one than the other.  Why would
we having this "contest" at all, it just doesn't make sense to me.  Some
things will be on WebSockets, some things will be on DataChannel, some
things will be on both, and what is wrong with that?



On 13 February 2014 21:26, Sergio Garcia Murillo <
sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com> wrote:

> El 13/02/2014 22:01, Peter Dunkley escribió:
>
>  Hello,
>>
>> Wasn't Sergio's point about what the terminology (for example, within
>> SDP) should be rather than whether WebSockets is appropriate as a transport
>> or not?  And isn't this a totally separate issue from the WebSockets vs.
>> WebRTC question?
>>
>
> Yes and no. My point was that all "X over websockets" will have some
> common issues, so instead of having the same discussion every time, it
> would be better if we could address them once and for all, so when someone
> wants to propose a new "X", it does not have to spend time and effort on
> that issues.
>
>
> Best regards
> Sergio
>
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