Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wideband Audio Codec WG
Dan York <dyork@voxeo.com> Wed, 03 June 2009 19:45 UTC
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I've been reading this thread with great interest as for the past probably 6 years or so I've been saying to anyone who will listen (and to those who won't ;-) that one factor that will help "IP communications/VoIP/UC/whatever-marketing-term-we-want-to-rename-our- products-to-this-week" to really find wide adoption is to provide a "rich communication experience" better than what people are used to now. Wideband audio is, to me, a huge part of that. However, I completely agree with Henning on this point: > On Jun 2, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > >> However, if we don't do this, we are stuck with the status quo, >> which is not all that satisfactory. The status quo is not satisfactory. If you want to add wideband audio to your product, you've got an alphabet soup of mutually incompatible options with vastly different licensing terms/fees/options and source code availability. I think we ultimately need a "G.711 for wideband", i.e. a wideband codec that anyone can implement in any device. I'd argue that a large part of the reason we are "stuck" with so many people in VoIP using G. 711 is precisely because ANYONE can implement it in basically ANY device. You can buy a G.711 codec implementation or you can write your own or find some code on the Internet (google "G.711 source code"). You can implement G.711 in your big softswitch or IP-PBX... or you can implement it in some small embedded device. And it interoperates. We need that kind of codec for wideband.... which I would say is "royalty-free" and needs to have "open source" implementations available. (And yes, I know Speex is out there - I don't have a view as to why it is not more widely implemented. And yes, I know Skype is giving away SILK royalty-free, but it's not open source.) Can the IETF help with this? I don't know... but I think it's worth a shot. If there is a group that is passionate about this (and there seems to be) then lets get the mailing list set up and have it go the regular List -> BOF -> Working Group trajectory. In the best case perhaps we come out with the codec we want/need. At the very worst I think we'd wind up with at least creating some good discussions and requirements for what we do need. My 2 cents, Dan -- Dan York, Director of Conversations Voxeo Corporation http://www.voxeo.com dyork@voxeo.com Phone: +1-407-455-5859 Skype: danyork Join the Voxeo conversation: Blogs: http://blogs.voxeo.com http://www.disruptivetelephony.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/voxeo http://twitter.com/danyork Facebook: http://www.voxeo.com/facebook
- [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband Aud… Jason Fischl
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Eric Burger
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Scott Lawrence
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Jason Fischl
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Mary Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Eric Burger
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… eburger
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] Proposal to form Internet Wideband… Slava Borilin
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… James M. Polk
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Slava Borilin
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… stephen botzko
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… stephen botzko
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… stephen botzko
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… David Singer
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… David Singer
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Randell Jesup
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Slava Borilin
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Eric Burger
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Eric Burger
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Dan York
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Jason Fischl
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Dean Willis
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Christopher Montgomery
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [dispatch] [AVT] Proposal to form Internet Wi… Michael Ramalho (mramalho)